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re: Amin Elhassan on Alvin Gentry
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:23 pm to mm2316
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:23 pm to mm2316
I'm not really a fan of picking a head coach based on a team's weaknesses when he was hired. Thats shortsighted, imo. Rosters change so much that we could be awesome defensively in a year or two and mediocre offensively.
Dell wanted to play a certain type of ball and he found a guy to fit that style.
Dell wanted to play a certain type of ball and he found a guy to fit that style.
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Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:32 pm to TigerinATL
can you be in both camps, b/c that's how i feel?
And i'd say im more in camp 2 than 1.
And i'd say im more in camp 2 than 1.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:40 pm to TeddyPadillac
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can you be in both camps, b/c that's how i feel?
I'm in camp 2 but still optimistic about Gentry, so why not.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:46 pm to eyeran
I definitely see your point. After sitting through two season of Tyreke's hero ball, and Anderson step-back mid-range shots, a great offensive system is highly anticipated. I'm just hoping that there will be someone on the staff that can improve the performance of our defensive, specifically on the wing.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 2:09 pm to TigerinATL
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I'm in camp 2 but still optimistic about Gentry
This is where I am. I'm excited to see what the offense will look like, but still on the fence overall.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 2:12 pm to TigerinATL
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I'm in camp 2 but still optimistic about Gentry, so why not.
Me too. Excited about the offense. Willing to wait to see about the rest.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 2:58 pm to Hester Carries
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As SI.com’s Ben Golliver described of Gentry’s potential impact on Davis, “The statistical ramifications for Davis here are mouth-watering. Last season, at age 21, he averaged 24.4 points and 10.2 rebounds while posting a 30.8 PER despite playing at a snail’s pace. By comparison, a 22-year-old Amar’e Stoudemire averaged 26 points and 8.9 rebounds while posting a 26.6 PER in 2004-05 under Mike D’Antoni, with Gentry as an assistant. Young Amar’e was a phenom in his own right, but he was no Davis. If things fall into place and Davis continues to blossom, it’s not outlandish to envision the two-time All-Star making a run at averaging 28/12, a threshold achieved by only Shaquille O’Neal over the last 30 years.”
Golliver envisions a Gentry attack that allows Davis to play to his strengths to an even greater extent. The All-NBA first-teamer may be the league’s best player at putting up big scoring numbers without having plays called for him, partly due to his unique natural talent. Davis is particularly dangerous in the open court, where he can outrun opposing big men and use his athletic ability to overwhelm them for offensive rebounds or soar for high-flying alley oops.
“What happens when the NBA’s top under-25 talent gets fully unleashed?” Golliver wrote. “We’re about to find out… one of the league’s slowest teams in recent years plans to significantly pick up the tempo. That’s a frightening proposition for opponents, who now must contemplate Anthony Davis ike they’ve never seen him before, in a fast and loose system that should utilize his obscene athleticism and above-the-rim finishing ability.”
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Posted on 6/1/15 at 3:02 pm to TigerinATL
I think people are oversimplifying and refusing to give Monty any credit that he has earned. Davis' insane efficiency happened under Monty's tutelage and limited usage and it's likely that increased usage will result in decreased efficiency. There are only so many good shots that AD is going to find him, meaning a significant increase in shots will mean an equally significant increase in tough shots.
It's similar to the argument against per 36 for bench players.
It's similar to the argument against per 36 for bench players.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 3:10 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Davis' insane efficiency happened under Monty's tutelage and limited usage and it's likely that increased usage will result in decreased efficiency.
This was true of the morons that said "give it to AD in the 4th and let him make something happen." He clearly wasn't ready for that yet. However, faster pace = more possessions. If Gentry gets them up to GSW/Houston Pace, that's 6 more possessions per game. Give AD the ball on 3 of those and he scores about 60% and you've added another 3.5 points to his average through pace alone. If AD adds some new dimensions to his game, which he hopefully will this summer (and yes would have under Monty), then you have more situations he can score efficiently in (really want to see that baby hook/flip become a staple), and you can get him more opportunities without hurting his efficiency. Growth + Pace = League fricked
Posted on 6/1/15 at 3:10 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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increased usage will result in decreased efficiency.
Davis has been increasing his usage every season along with increasing his efficiency, so why assume the opposite?
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There are only so many good shots that AD is going to find him, meaning a significant increase in shots will mean an equally significant increase in tough shots.
So an offense with more ball movement and more transition opportunities creates more tough shots?
Posted on 6/1/15 at 3:16 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
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Davis has been increasing his usage every season along with increasing his efficiency, so why assume the opposite?
Law of Diminishing Returns
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So an offense with more ball movement and more transition opportunities creates more tough shots?
No, but part of that ball movement gets the ball to people other than AD.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 3:37 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Law of Diminishing Returns
You do realize that even if it's the case that higher usage by AD is subject to Law of Diminishing Returns, it doesn't mean that AD will become necessarily become less efficient with more usage? Doubling AD's usage would obviously make him less efficient, but ball movement and transition scoring?
Posted on 6/1/15 at 3:38 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Some Van Gundy quotes:
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John Reid ?@JohnReid64
Jeff Van Gundy: ''I don’t think you hire a guy to bring out the best in a Hall of Fame player.''
Jeff Van Gundy: ''Anthony Davis could be coached by someone off the street.''
Jeff Van Gundy: ''To me they (Pelicans) need to add shooting of the 3-point variety.''
Jeff Van Gundy: ''Alvin (Gentry) and he (Anthony Davis) can ride this a decade if he can get the right pieces around him.''
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:06 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
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You do realize that even if it's the case that higher usage by AD is subject to Law of Diminishing Returns, it doesn't mean that AD will become necessarily become less efficient with more usage? Doubling AD's usage would obviously make him less efficient, but ball movement and transition scoring?
And you think all of that ball movement and transition will equal more high-efficiency shots for AD? AD just had a historic year when it comes to PER. It's silly to assume that it will stay that high, and that's not a knock on him. It just illustrates how efficient he actually was this year.
If you want to believe that he will become significantly more efficient because of Gentry, you go ahead and ride that unicorn over the rainbow.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:12 pm to TigerinATL
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This was true of the morons that said "give it to AD in the 4th and let him make something happen." He clearly wasn't ready for that yet.
What??? You do realize the biggest chunk of the "give AD the damn ball" equation was Tyreke being one of the least clutch players in the league correct? I'm also failing to see where Davis didn't meet your 4th quarter clutch expectations?
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Jeff Van Gundy: ''To me they (Pelicans) need to add shooting of the 3-point variety.''
I can't imagine why he didn't get the job
. 4th in the league in %. I mean, 5 guys that shot 38% or better in a Pels uniform last year and a 6th who had his worst year as a pro shooting the ball.This post was edited on 6/1/15 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:14 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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And you think all of that ball movement and transition will equal more high-efficiency shots for AD?
Yes. AD is one of the best transition finishers in the league and doesn't get as many transition opportunities as other elite transition players. More ball movement for this team will mean more easy shots but also more turnovers.
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AD just had a historic year when it comes to PER. It's silly to assume that it will stay that high, and that's not a knock on him.
So you're saying Anthony Davis has peaked at the age of 22 despite all historical evidence of player development and his own player development. Got it.
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If you want to believe that he will become significantly more efficient because of Gentry, you go ahead and ride that unicorn over the rainbow.
I seriously doubt he gets significantly more efficient. I expect a modest bump in usage and a small bump or no bump in efficiency.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:17 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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I think people are oversimplifying and refusing to give Monty any credit that he has earned.
Nah. Saying Davis can be maximized is different than saying Monty didn't do good work with him. And Golliver isn't calling for more Davis, just saying a faster tempo plays into Davis and the team's speed/athleticism wheelhouse.
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And you think all of that ball movement and transition will equal more high-efficiency shots for AD?
Yes. He took nearly 50% of his shots from mid range and only 33% in the RA after the ASB. In the playoffs, he took 41% from mid range and only 31% of his shots in the RA. Injury, fatigue certainly play a role, but scheme matters too. Dumping the ball to him in the high post and saying "Go" isn't the easiest way to generate high efficiency shots. That Davis makes them means he is a superstar. The number one goal has to be getting him shots at the rim.
And that says nothing of the ripple effect of a mobile Davis. Davis on the move is a threat every defender is aware of. Leveraging that makes it easier to create good looks for his teammates.
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If you want to believe that he will become significantly more efficient because of Gentry
Steph Curry was this year.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:17 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
His PER may go down, but his points per shot (scoring efficiency) may actually go up. In his best season Amare scored more points (26 vs 24.4) on less shots (16.7 vs 17.6) than Davis did this past season.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:18 pm to ShamelessPel
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I'm also failing to see where Davis didn't meet your 4th quarter clutch expectations?
I didn't say he didn't meet my expectations, I'm saying people wanting him to force shots instead of Tyreke forcing shots wouldn't get the results they were hoping for. People were assuming they could extrapolate AD's efficiency from being a safety valve where by definition the defense isn't focused on him or is beaten, to being a shot creator where he has all of the defense's focus. It was pure madness.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:19 pm to Epic Cajun
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His PER may go down, but his points per shot (scoring efficiency) may actually go up. In his best season Amare scored more points (26 vs 24.4) on less shots (16.7 vs 17.6) than Davis did this past season.
If Davis' TS % goes up along with his asst %, his otherworldly PER will go up as well I'd imagine as long as he can keep his turnovers down.
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