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re: After one game I'm ready to hop aboard the Vucevic Bandwagon
Posted on 10/27/16 at 12:42 pm to Crewz
Posted on 10/27/16 at 12:42 pm to Crewz
Well, this is the reason the franchise is where it is. Look at guys like Steven Adams and miles Turner. 1 and dones who were drafted at the end of the lottery and immediately impacted their team on both ends of the court. Drafting those guys is the chances we don't take that sets us back.
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Posted on 10/27/16 at 12:45 pm to bugafor6
preach. The draft is the only way. We aren't LA, Miami, New York. We have no ability and no management/ownership that will entice a superstar FA to come here. And if we aren't signing superstars who are we signing and trading picks for? The holidays, evans, solomon hills of the world. People here seem contempt with living in mediocrity for years instead of doing it the right-and only way for a small market team- through the damn draft. Its really that simple.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 3:23 pm to bugafor6
We all agree. But Tom Benson is an old frick. Such is life
Posted on 10/27/16 at 4:38 pm to TigerinATL
Nice to see you are on the wagon. Ive been saying this and with the signing of Biyombo, do what u have to do to make it work.
Give them a top 5 protected first and push Asik as well.
That's as good as you'll get which isn't a bad deal at this point. You have to realize that someone has to get the shittier part of a deal sometimes and giving up a first rounder in a loaded draft is tough to give up BUT you get a youngish center that would mesh very well with AD.
Centers like that are hard to find. Much harder to find than a SG etc..just look at how terrible the swing and miss was on Asik..
Nola front office must make a move quickly to keep AD even remotely interested in staying here long term but there's been no progress WHATSOEVER..it's gonna be a long season.
Give them a top 5 protected first and push Asik as well.
That's as good as you'll get which isn't a bad deal at this point. You have to realize that someone has to get the shittier part of a deal sometimes and giving up a first rounder in a loaded draft is tough to give up BUT you get a youngish center that would mesh very well with AD.
Centers like that are hard to find. Much harder to find than a SG etc..just look at how terrible the swing and miss was on Asik..
Nola front office must make a move quickly to keep AD even remotely interested in staying here long term but there's been no progress WHATSOEVER..it's gonna be a long season.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 4:48 pm to BallHawk
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The draft is a crapshoot. As "easily" as you can build your team through the draft and have success you can have failure. JMO
everything is a crapshoot. draft, young vets, FA, whatever. there is no "right" way to build. it's skill and luck. i think the pels have been so-so with the former and severely lacking in the latter.
i do think what they did 4 years ago, given the context of their situation, was sub-optimal. doens't mean it was doomed to fail, just that i wouldn't have done it that way.
also- no way i would give up a mere top 5 protected pick for Vucevic. he's a fine player, but if you can't lottery protect the pick, you can't make the deal IMO.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 5:04 pm to corndeaux
I get what you're saying but you have to understand that if you don't make a move, have a piss poor season AGAIN, and have to wait on a rookie to develope, you lose on what is your ultimate goal: keep AD in Nola and happy.
Say you play the lotto again, draft a top 5 player like Jalen Brown for instance, you happy? No way. He's gotta have time to develope and you already have that with Heild.
You have to give up anything at this point and that should be ok if it's on a player that you don't miss on. I know that's hard to predict but don't make it a "hope-so" trade.
Vucevic is not a "hope-so" player. He's a frickin monster on the glass, can run the floor, can score and plays 30MPG. He'd space it for guys like Moore, Jrue and Hield...it's what u have to have.
If that trade is even close to being available, you MUST take it.
Say you play the lotto again, draft a top 5 player like Jalen Brown for instance, you happy? No way. He's gotta have time to develope and you already have that with Heild.
You have to give up anything at this point and that should be ok if it's on a player that you don't miss on. I know that's hard to predict but don't make it a "hope-so" trade.
Vucevic is not a "hope-so" player. He's a frickin monster on the glass, can run the floor, can score and plays 30MPG. He'd space it for guys like Moore, Jrue and Hield...it's what u have to have.
If that trade is even close to being available, you MUST take it.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 5:18 pm to SHMILL
i get that. he's a fine player.
i don't know if vucevic moves the needle enough for davis either though. i'd rather hedge my bet in case Davis does bolt or get hurt. but that's just me. i wouldn't be rending garments in the street if they did do that. it's going for broke to keep Davis. i can respect that move.
i don't know if vucevic moves the needle enough for davis either though. i'd rather hedge my bet in case Davis does bolt or get hurt. but that's just me. i wouldn't be rending garments in the street if they did do that. it's going for broke to keep Davis. i can respect that move.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 5:29 pm to TigerinATL
I was calling for him after Pekovic fell off. He's what we need.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 2:36 am to Crewz
I value keeping AD so if we have to give up a player with upside at 19 I'm willing to do so. I'm tired of settling for turd players and listen to everyone mock this team stupidity and sorriness while AD "has to go play somewhere" else to be valued. Screw this potential draft, I want this demigod in AD over anyone.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:10 am to Crewz
quote:Not sure I agree. At some point, maybe a competent mind (Ferry) can convince management that we need to build a team rather than continue to trade picks for hole pluggers. This team is in shambles as a result of the mindset that draft choices are useless.
I know people love this draft, but this franchise is not taking some 19 year old anyway. They are either gonna find another vet to trade the pick for or draft an upperclassman that goes off this year who won't be better than Vuc for 3-5 more years anyway
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:13 am to NOSHAU
Again, We all see this from the outside. But you would be shocked by how delusional it is on the inside.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:17 am to Crewz
quote:That is so sad. It is amazing how incompetent the management of this organization is.
Again, We all see this from the outside. But you would be shocked by how delusional it is on the inside.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:20 am to TigerinATL
This would be the most Pelicans move possible.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:30 am to NOSHAU
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the mindset that draft choices are useless.
I really don't know how this thread has devolved into pro and anti draft. Nobody is looking to give away a top 10 pick. I proposed Top 18 protected this season, Lottery protected next season and becoming 2 2nds after that. Even if Vucevic had an immediate impact it's unlikely he makes the Pels a 6 seed or better. And if the Pels are a playoff team next year they do give up a 1st, but a 2018 post lottery 1st rounder isn't likely to be useful fast enough to help convince AD to stay.
I'm not looking to trade picks willy nilly, like I'd trade no pick for Monroe before I traded a pick for Noel/Okafor, and I want us to have assets in waiting in the event AD leaves. But it's starting to look like AD as David Robinson might not happen which means we need to be looking for a center to pair him with. Vucevic may not be a great rim protector but he is a good rebounder, which does help the defense, and he's versatile enough on offense to adjust to AD rather than AD needing to adjust to him like he would for Monroe.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:18 am to TigerinATL
How many teams would make a run a vucevic, and why would the magic be inclined to take our package?
Are expirings valuable again?
Surely they could do better yes?
Are expirings valuable again?
Surely they could do better yes?
Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:38 am to GynoSandberg
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How many teams would make a run a vucevic
I don't know. Athletic, defensive centers are what's currently en vogue in the NBA. Offensive centers than can't protect the rim not as much. You also have Noel and Okafor on the market and many expect Brook Lopez to hit the trade block before the season is over. That's 3 available centers that would be ahead of Vucevic on many team's wish lists, and Monroe is available for cheap, so while he may not be more desirable than Vucevic, he also won't cost a pick.
Also who needs a traditional starting center? Charlotte is the only one I can come up with and they have Hibbert and one of the Zellers. The Pelicans might have the worst center depth chart in the league by a significant margin.
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Are expirings valuable again?
I think their value will increase this year because most teams had already blown their 2016 budgets expecting the 2017 cap to increase to $110 and then they were told it's actually going down to $102 (now $103).
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Surely they could do better yes?
I'd have said the same thing about Tobias Harris right before we found out what he got traded for. I don't expect to get Vucevic for expirings, but it sounds like you think they can get more than what amounts to a lottery protected 2018 1st and I don't think they can. Maybe injuries or other moves will change that, but right now Supply >>>> Demand.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 11:24 am to TigerinATL
Those weren't bait questions, I was genuinely curious to hear opinions
But Vucevic is on a pretty team friendly deal, I don't think he's relegated to going to a team to start if he were to be traded. He could provide valuable depth to a lot of teams, and j think the market for him would be pretty competitive
But Vucevic is on a pretty team friendly deal, I don't think he's relegated to going to a team to start if he were to be traded. He could provide valuable depth to a lot of teams, and j think the market for him would be pretty competitive
Posted on 10/28/16 at 12:12 pm to GynoSandberg
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Those weren't bait questions, I was genuinely curious to hear opinions
I didn't think they were.
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He could provide valuable depth to a lot of teams, and j think the market for him would be pretty competitive
I guess I could see a team like Utah having interest in someone like Vucevic, and generally GMs would view 2017 #20 > 2018 #15.
If you do get in a bidding war where you can only top 10 protect this year's pick, the question becomes can you get a guy with your 2017 pick that would be a starting caliber SF or C after 2 years? If the answer is yes then in 2019 you'll probably wish you'd have kept the pick. If the answer is no and you can trade it for a guy who would start for you at SF/C in 2019 and beyond, you should trade the pick.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 12:14 pm to TigerinATL
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I'd have said the same thing about Tobias Harris right before we found out what he got traded for
they traded harkless for a fake 2nd...
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