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9 Days to Deadline: What do you want?
Posted on 2/10/16 at 7:20 am
Posted on 2/10/16 at 7:20 am
Evans injury has to force the Loomis/Demps hand, especially with Ryno.
He's really the only valuable asset we have, and must get something in return.
Not sure what the market will be for EG, since the SG market appears to be a bit saturated (K-Mart, Lou Williams, Mayo, Swaggy P, Fournier, etc).
The trend is obvious, looking at playoff teams that need an upgrade at the 4 and have young guys with upside.
Realistic Deadline Wishlist:
1) Toronto 1st - Should fall in low teens where there's several options for big men, or Jamal Murray
2) Rid ourselves of Asik - Would require us to hit on a big man in the draft (Poetl)
3) Trey Lyles and Alec Burks - Probably too steep a price, but Lyles could be a good fit next to AD, and Utah has been rolling without needing Lyles/Burks
4) Kelly Oubre - 3 and D wing that has shown some promise, also allows us to go big man in the draft. Would get tons of run after the ASB here.
5) Tony Allen/Jordan Adams package - 3 & D and a SG with upside on a cheap deal
He's really the only valuable asset we have, and must get something in return.
Not sure what the market will be for EG, since the SG market appears to be a bit saturated (K-Mart, Lou Williams, Mayo, Swaggy P, Fournier, etc).
The trend is obvious, looking at playoff teams that need an upgrade at the 4 and have young guys with upside.
Realistic Deadline Wishlist:
1) Toronto 1st - Should fall in low teens where there's several options for big men, or Jamal Murray
2) Rid ourselves of Asik - Would require us to hit on a big man in the draft (Poetl)
3) Trey Lyles and Alec Burks - Probably too steep a price, but Lyles could be a good fit next to AD, and Utah has been rolling without needing Lyles/Burks
4) Kelly Oubre - 3 and D wing that has shown some promise, also allows us to go big man in the draft. Would get tons of run after the ASB here.
5) Tony Allen/Jordan Adams package - 3 & D and a SG with upside on a cheap deal
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Posted on 2/10/16 at 7:27 am to Toula
On second thought, I'd probably move Asik down to last. Would rather just get some cheap talent with potential back.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:00 am to Toula
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Tony Allen/Jordan Adams package - 3 & D
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:03 am to Toula
I'm starting to really want that Patrick Patterson + Knicks/Nuggets 1st for Ryno deal. Another Raptors guy mentioned a version of it with Scola involved. RaptorsRapture
With Jimmy Butler now hurt, I wonder if the Bulls would do EG for Noah + that Top 10 protected Kings pick for 2016 or 2017. Kings are only 2 wins away from having to pay it out this year, or for sure that could end up as a mid-teens 1st next year. Worth the roll of the dice.
With Jimmy Butler now hurt, I wonder if the Bulls would do EG for Noah + that Top 10 protected Kings pick for 2016 or 2017. Kings are only 2 wins away from having to pay it out this year, or for sure that could end up as a mid-teens 1st next year. Worth the roll of the dice.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:03 am to dafif5
Yea, I was wondering about that myself.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:17 am to Toula
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On second thought, I'd probably move Asik down to last.
Yeah, Asik is fine for now, he's only a problem when we actually need to use cap space to go after a big money FA.
Toronto is not giving us a lottery pick for Ryno, but I don't see why they wouldn't give up their own pick and a center prospect that isn't playing like Nogueria. And you're probably getting Scola back, not Patterson. But I'm ok with that, and Scola is the type of guy that might be able to give you 80% of what Ryno did and be at the stage of his career where he'd take a one year deal.
2nd choice would be Indy, Budinger and Hill plus Indy's 1st. Both trades give you a pick in the 20s, a raw prospect, and a player you might want to keep around another year on the cheap. Nogueria is a better prospect than Hill and like I said, Scola can help replace Ryno, so I would prefer the Toronto scenario.
I'd also consider some form of Ryno for Morris.
I'm not really interested in any other Ryno trades unless it somehow brings us back a better player. Like if you could replace Reke with Ryno in the Horford/Love proposed trade.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:28 am to TigerinATL
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Toronto is not giving us a lottery pick for Ryno, but I don't see why they wouldn't give up their own pick and a center prospect that isn't playing like Nogueria
I kinda disagree here. Toronto is 2 games back of the 1 seed and has potential to take down Cleveland. Their GM is already been quoted saying they have too many young players and they can't use all the picks.
Ryno is an ideal fit for them with Lowry/Derozan, probably the best piece out there for the Raps to add too. Just seems like a recipe for an overpay.
The Knicks 1st and a Patterson or Scola would be great. I think it if drops to their own first, we could demand a Delon Wright and Caboclo or something like that.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:29 am to TigerinATL
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I'm not really interested in any other Ryno trades unless it somehow brings us back a better player. Like if you could replace Reke with Ryno in the Horford/Love proposed trade.
Sorry, no link, but apparently the Pelicans are not that interested in trading Ryno. Only if it was a killer deal. They may even try to figure out a way to re-sign him if they can also fill other needs, even for the short term.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:38 am to VOR
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the Pelicans are not that interested in trading Ryno.
That's certainly how you'd play it if you wanted a team desperate for Ryno to give up more.
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They may even try to figure out a way to re-sign him
Ryno is a good player, and while I'm not for signing him to $15+, the cap increasing $20 million again in 2017 means it wouldn't stop you from signing a top level FA in 2 years when more are on the market, especially if you can dump Asik by then. The problem with resigning Ryno is more a signal of a directional issue than Ryno is bad for the team. It suggests they aren't planning to change course much and they really need to.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:41 am to Toula
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I kinda disagree here. Toronto is 2 games back of the 1 seed and has potential to take down Cleveland.
Is Toronto in a tight enough spot to give up that much for Ryno? Yes. But it really depends on how many teams are seriously after him. Like I outlined, the Indy deal would practically be the same thing, so Dell could go to Toronto and tell them "That Indy pick might be as much as 5 spots lower than your pick, I think I'm going to have to take their deal unless you can offer more." But that's all contingent on have multiple serious bidders.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:44 am to TigerinATL
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The problem with resigning Ryno is more a signal of a directional issue than Ryno is bad for the team. It suggests they aren't planning to change course much and they really need to.
I get your drift, for sure. But maybe they figure they can be rid of EG, Tyreke and maybe even Asik in two years. That gives them some room to maneuver even if they re-sign Ryno. I mean I don't see any huge signings until 2017 anyway.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:48 am to TigerinATL
We really need Boston to make their big move and soon. Really put the pressure on Indy, Toronto and possibly Washington.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:59 am to VOR
quote:This. Dell has no delusions of being able to sign a top SF with free cap. We are going to see plenty QPon minutes next season. Unless we hit the lottery, we'll be drafting our center help (Poeltl). We'll resign Ryno, flip Reke into a pick and try to rob the Grizzlies of both Jeff Green and Courtney Lee while they spend away on Mike Conley.
Sorry, no link, but apparently the Pelicans are not that interested in trading Ryno. Only if it was a killer deal. They may even try to figure out a way to re-sign him if they can also fill other needs, even for the short term.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:03 am to Toula
I want Dell and Alvin gone
Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:22 am to patendedgmf
We just need ping pong balls. Trading Ryno should give us a good chance to jump Minny, and hopefully one or two more teams (long shot).
Balls bounce our way, a Ingram or Jaylen Brown solve the 3 spot.
Balls bounce our way, a Ingram or Jaylen Brown solve the 3 spot.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 9:23 am
Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:25 am to Toula
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Evans injury has to force the Loomis/Demps hand, especially with Ryno.
He's really the only valuable asset we have, and must get something in return.
I dunno. Feeling like they are "forced" to make a move got them into this mess in the first place.
I'm for moving Anderson if they can get back a decent return. Toronto seems like the best bet for that. I doubt they give up a lottery pick and/or Patterson. Many want to dump Anderson because of defense and his price tag, yet no one thinks other GMs, particularly a sharp like Ujiri, aren't aware of these things? Derozan is a UFA too. I have a hard time believing the give up a potential top 10 pick for what could be a 3 month rental with their core.
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3) Trey Lyles and Alec Burks - Probably too steep a price, but Lyles could be a good fit next to AD, and Utah has been rolling without needing Lyles/Burks
Lyles is not going anywhere. He looks like a long career player with versatility and is a great fit for them. They might move one of Favors/Gobert before they move Lyles I assume Anderson is the offer. Utah has no need for another big, especially one hitting UFA. They want guys locked in for a while because Utah. Lyles is that guy, is cheaper, and has a chance to be better overall than Anderson.
A curious move would be seeing if they don't want to pay Gobert and Favors. Giving up Holiday would likely be the bait. Not too sure of the fit with either big and Davis- if we're worried about him spending too much time on the perimeter already, adding a paint bound big won't change that at all. But they are both legit rim protectors.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 9:27 am
Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:31 am to corndeaux
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Toronto seems like the best bet for that. I doubt they give up a lottery pick and/or Patterson. Many want to dump Anderson because of defense and his price tag, yet no one thinks other GMs, particularly a sharp like Ujiri, aren't aware of these things? Derozan is a UFA too. I have a hard time believing the give up a potential top 10 pick for what could be a 3 month rental with their core.
Toronto HAS to trade for someone if they want to add talent for next year though. I agree that the lottery pick seems unlikely, they'd probably try to do Patterson rather than Scola before giving up that pick instead of their own, but their cap situation has them in a tight spot for a team that can't afford to take a step back or even stand still.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:40 am to corndeaux
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Many want to dump Anderson because of defense and his price tag, yet no one thinks other GMs, particularly a sharp like Ujiri, aren't aware of these things?
I'm not seeing other teams afraid to trade for Ryno b/c of price tag and defense, but rather as the missing piece to a deep playoff run.
Below are trades from last year that included guys in final years of deals who then signed elsewhere after the season.
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TO DALLAS: Rajon Rondo, Dwight Powell.
TO BOSTON: Brandan Wright, Jameer Nelson, Jae Crowder, 2015 first-round pick (protected 1-3 and 15-30 in 2015, protected 1-7 from 2016-2020) and 2016 second-round pick.
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TO PORTLAND: Arron Afflalo, Alonzo Gee
TO DENVER: Thomas Robinson, Will Barton, Victor Claver, 2016 first-round pick (lottery protected)
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TO PHOENIX: Brandan Wright
TO BOSTON: 2015 first-round pick (from Minnesota, top-12 protected until 2016, turns into two second-round picks if not conveyed)
Teams that need guys to make a run typically pay a high price. Ryno should, and will, fetch a great return. Not getting assets for him would be a travesty.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:48 am to TigerinATL
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Toronto HAS to trade for someone if they want to add talent for next year though
Maybe? They have a top 10 pick. They can also move guys this summer as FA starts to take more shape. Lots of questions in Toronto about just where they are going.
There have been rumblings for some time that they aren't in love with Valanciunas. He was hurt, but he's still only about a 25MPG player for them. They want to play small ball and he doesn't quite fit. Maybe they try to move him and roll with Nogueria as their 5. Also some questions about whether they want to give Derozan the max he will likely be offered this summer. You have to wonder what they really think of Ross and where they are with Caboclo, Nogueria, and Delon Wright.
If they think they are going to roll with this core and pay to keep it together, getting Anderson and his bird rights is huge. If they are thinking of breaking it up (moving JVAL, not paying Derozan, or afraid he walks (LA?)) then there's no reason to go get Anderson.
If they are going for it with their current core, I don't see them giving up Patterson in an Anderson deal. His versatility as a 4 will likely be crucial in a playoff series.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:50 am to Toula
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Teams that need guys to make a run typically pay a high price.
And how did those moves work out for those teams? Other GMs want to emulate those deals?
Also, the entire league just obliterated Kevin Love for slow feet and being exposed on defense. Anderson won't fair any better. You don't think Cleveland will run 1-4 PnR all day with Anderson trying to keep up with Kyrie in a 7 game series? Or Boston and IT2?
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 9:53 am
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