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2016-2017 Realistic scenario for Upgrading Roster
Posted on 5/28/16 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 5/28/16 at 8:00 pm
Here's a realistic scenario to the Pelicans significantly improving the roster immediately. The key is Boston!!!!
What to do?
First, you make that #6 draft pick stick... This may be the most important piece to the puzzle because it will allow for a relatively cheap player who can be a core piece without going into rebuild mode again. I for one think Hield is that pick, but would be OK with Dunn. Don't think Murray will amount to anything more than a 6th man on a quality team but I believe Hield may be a future All Star and has more than enough ability to be an All NBA defender. Same with Dunn if he develops his shot, which I fully expect.
As for our infamous 3 spot, I'm all for signing Barnes, but at the right price. He's NOT a max player and we don't need to put ourselves in another Gordon situation. He's not remotely close to a 1st or 2nd option on a championship caliber team and that's my barometer for being worthy of a max-deal, real simple. So if he can't sign with us for less than that, I'm fine and in turn, Dell should laser focus on Jeff Green, Bazemore, or someone that we know is better than what we have been accustomed to. I believe we would be a perfect fit for Green to re-establish himself as a starter in this league. Give him a 3 year deal and I think we wouldn't regret it. He should be our priority this off-season.
Should we re-sign Ryan Anderson??? Although, he was a coup for us when the trade was made for Ayon (don't know what the hell Orlando was doing), at this point, if his three ain't falling he is an overall liability. I'm OK with letting him go. I think Dell 2nd biggest mistake in his whole tenure as GM, is not trading Anderson at the deadline for assets that could have been part of the picture moving forward. I think Anderson would have merit a late lottery- low 1st round pick and a quality, young bench player that could have been part of next year's team. Nonetheless, I would seriously see if a sign and trade could be worked out with Boston.. A perfect trade would be Anderson and the 39 pick for the 23rd and 31st pick, and maybe Evan Turner (if we bust in SF free agency) or James Young/RJ Hunter/Jordan Mickey.
With the 23rd pick in hand, I select either Valentine (probably gone) Bembry or Bentl if available. Others to consider: Chieck Diablo, Taurean Prince, Malik Beasley. With the 31st pick, I look at Diamond Stone, Malcolm Brogdon who I feel with have a solid NBA career or Patrick McCaw.
Nonetheless, u have retooled your bench with players who if 2 or 3 pan out, makes this team a real threat all of a sudden to compete on a Davis timeline and we will be able to sustain it for the considerable future.
2016-2017 Projected Roster:
PG: Jrue Holiday, Tim Frazier, Malcolm Brogdon/Patrick McCaw (40th pick)
SG: Buddy Hield (6th pick) Tyreke Evans, James Young
SF: Jeff Green (or Evan Turner), QPON, Deandre Bembry (23rd pick)
PF: Anthony Davis, Dante Cunningham, Ben Bentl/Diamond Stone (31st pick)
C: Omer Asik, Alex Ajinca,
This scenario creates a solid team with flexibility to determine which players will be part of the future core and who needs to go. Also, overnight we go from basically no movable trade assets to a whole team worth besides Asik, but he may be movable if one of our bench players become coveted and expendable due to redundancy at a position.
You have great shooting, capable defenders, solid rebounding, players that can play multiple positions, experience mixed with youth and the odds are in your favor that this team becomes championship contenders within 2 or 3 years. Plus, you should have the assets to possibly make the trade for the 2nd bona-fide All Star to pair with Davis if Hield is not already that guy. Long thread, I know, but this scenario makes us formidable and flexible in the future and Dell looks like a genius and keeps his job. Hey Dell, your welcome.. Thoughts???
What to do?
First, you make that #6 draft pick stick... This may be the most important piece to the puzzle because it will allow for a relatively cheap player who can be a core piece without going into rebuild mode again. I for one think Hield is that pick, but would be OK with Dunn. Don't think Murray will amount to anything more than a 6th man on a quality team but I believe Hield may be a future All Star and has more than enough ability to be an All NBA defender. Same with Dunn if he develops his shot, which I fully expect.
As for our infamous 3 spot, I'm all for signing Barnes, but at the right price. He's NOT a max player and we don't need to put ourselves in another Gordon situation. He's not remotely close to a 1st or 2nd option on a championship caliber team and that's my barometer for being worthy of a max-deal, real simple. So if he can't sign with us for less than that, I'm fine and in turn, Dell should laser focus on Jeff Green, Bazemore, or someone that we know is better than what we have been accustomed to. I believe we would be a perfect fit for Green to re-establish himself as a starter in this league. Give him a 3 year deal and I think we wouldn't regret it. He should be our priority this off-season.
Should we re-sign Ryan Anderson??? Although, he was a coup for us when the trade was made for Ayon (don't know what the hell Orlando was doing), at this point, if his three ain't falling he is an overall liability. I'm OK with letting him go. I think Dell 2nd biggest mistake in his whole tenure as GM, is not trading Anderson at the deadline for assets that could have been part of the picture moving forward. I think Anderson would have merit a late lottery- low 1st round pick and a quality, young bench player that could have been part of next year's team. Nonetheless, I would seriously see if a sign and trade could be worked out with Boston.. A perfect trade would be Anderson and the 39 pick for the 23rd and 31st pick, and maybe Evan Turner (if we bust in SF free agency) or James Young/RJ Hunter/Jordan Mickey.
With the 23rd pick in hand, I select either Valentine (probably gone) Bembry or Bentl if available. Others to consider: Chieck Diablo, Taurean Prince, Malik Beasley. With the 31st pick, I look at Diamond Stone, Malcolm Brogdon who I feel with have a solid NBA career or Patrick McCaw.
Nonetheless, u have retooled your bench with players who if 2 or 3 pan out, makes this team a real threat all of a sudden to compete on a Davis timeline and we will be able to sustain it for the considerable future.
2016-2017 Projected Roster:
PG: Jrue Holiday, Tim Frazier, Malcolm Brogdon/Patrick McCaw (40th pick)
SG: Buddy Hield (6th pick) Tyreke Evans, James Young
SF: Jeff Green (or Evan Turner), QPON, Deandre Bembry (23rd pick)
PF: Anthony Davis, Dante Cunningham, Ben Bentl/Diamond Stone (31st pick)
C: Omer Asik, Alex Ajinca,
This scenario creates a solid team with flexibility to determine which players will be part of the future core and who needs to go. Also, overnight we go from basically no movable trade assets to a whole team worth besides Asik, but he may be movable if one of our bench players become coveted and expendable due to redundancy at a position.
You have great shooting, capable defenders, solid rebounding, players that can play multiple positions, experience mixed with youth and the odds are in your favor that this team becomes championship contenders within 2 or 3 years. Plus, you should have the assets to possibly make the trade for the 2nd bona-fide All Star to pair with Davis if Hield is not already that guy. Long thread, I know, but this scenario makes us formidable and flexible in the future and Dell looks like a genius and keeps his job. Hey Dell, your welcome.. Thoughts???
This post was edited on 5/28/16 at 8:31 pm
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Posted on 5/28/16 at 9:12 pm to irvchilichill1
That roster is no better than 6th in the West. 5th if it overachieved and remained completely healthy.
Posted on 5/28/16 at 9:16 pm to oncealurker
I'd be happy with 5th or 6th. I honestly just want them to be an average playoff team. Sure I hope they win or make the finals before I die, but if memphis can be in the 4-6 range as often as they are no reason we can't. Playoff games are fun. Watching this OKC crowd reminds me of how fun game 3 was until the last 4 minutes.
Posted on 5/28/16 at 10:04 pm to irvchilichill1
Demps biggest mistake is giving Asik that contract
Posted on 5/30/16 at 9:07 pm to xxKylexx
The contract isn't really that bad considering the escalating cap.
I would be down for Hield, but I doubt he falls to us.
I would be down for Hield, but I doubt he falls to us.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 9:12 pm to irvchilichill1
Before spending that much time writing a post, understand how the CBA and trades work. How are you gonna trade Ryan Anderson on draft night when he is an unrestricted free agent?
A novice fan would know that's not possible, so I can't read beyond such a simple mistake
A novice fan would know that's not possible, so I can't read beyond such a simple mistake
Posted on 5/30/16 at 9:36 pm to Crewz
Sorry, that was probably a little rude, but the point remains. If you are gonna put that much time into a post, at least understand how the offseason, the CBA, etc works so that we can really discuss your "realistic scenario"
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:47 am to Crewz
I understand perfectly. What I KNOW is that we have Anderson's Bird Rights. Now with that, we are the only team that can offer a extra year on any deal. So, similar to when LeBron jumped to Miami and then thereafter, did a sign a trade, New Orleans could easily have an agreement with, say Boston, with the understanding that Anderson wants to go to Boston and sign a deal that gives him that crucial 5th year, potentially, then we could swap picks and get an assest or two from Boston's current roster, in exchange for Anderson and our 2nd round pick(s) as part of a package deal.
Not really that hard to understand once you realize that there is no tampering violations, in regards to the CBA,because Anderson IS a free agent and the fact that just because there's a moratorium for a week, prior to July 1st of the new fiscal year, doesn't mean that the conducting of prospective business is stalled.
I know a little more than you think, shouldn't be so quick to dismiss someone on a few sentences.....
Not really that hard to understand once you realize that there is no tampering violations, in regards to the CBA,because Anderson IS a free agent and the fact that just because there's a moratorium for a week, prior to July 1st of the new fiscal year, doesn't mean that the conducting of prospective business is stalled.
I know a little more than you think, shouldn't be so quick to dismiss someone on a few sentences.....
Posted on 5/31/16 at 6:52 am to irvchilichill1
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Not really that hard to understand once you realize that there is no tampering violations, in regards to the CBA,because Anderson IS a free agent and the fact that just because there's a moratorium for a week, prior to July 1st of the new fiscal year, doesn't mean that the conducting of prospective business is stalled.
Teams get fined for even mentioning the names of Free Agents. He's a Free Agent, meaning any team is free to make a pitch to him. If a team like Sacramento thought they had a shot and don't even get their calls returned they should complain. Are the penalties available more than fines? I don't know, I suspect it's open ended. When Minnesota made an illegal agreement with FREE AGENT Joe Smith, the team got fined and stripped of multiple 1sts. LINK
What you're suggesting is technically possible but violates league rules in a way that could bring harsh penalties. Would Ainge take that risk to sign KD? Maybe, but not for Anderson. Therefore your whole premise is invalid.
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 6:54 am
Posted on 5/31/16 at 7:36 am to irvchilichill1
In the history of the NBA, a sign and trade has never happened as you propose here- where the teams do it a week prior to free agency, during the NBA draft. Why? Because it is illegal and illogical
No, you don't know what you are talking about and are probably too stubborn to learn- instead, choosing to try and defend your ego by continuing to state how it is possible. That's fine, it's the norm
But know that it has never happened, and never will happen as long as the draft comes before free agency
No, you don't know what you are talking about and are probably too stubborn to learn- instead, choosing to try and defend your ego by continuing to state how it is possible. That's fine, it's the norm
But know that it has never happened, and never will happen as long as the draft comes before free agency
Posted on 5/31/16 at 7:38 am to irvchilichill1
Honestly, we aren't doing anything in the West next year. We need to make some "smart" moves and start building up our team to being able to compete. There really isn't much we can do this off season to all of a sudden be good enough to beat GS, OKC or SAS in a 7 game series next year. (Besides them losing crucial pieces) Hopefully we will be able to compete for a title in 3 years but some serious changes are needed for this to happen.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 8:31 am to irvchilichill1
quote:
I know a little more than you think, shouldn't be so quick to dismiss someone on a few sentences.....
Not sure that's the case.
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I understand perfectly. What I KNOW is that we have Anderson's Bird Rights. Now with that, we are the only team that can offer a extra year on any deal. So, similar to when LeBron jumped to Miami and then thereafter, did a sign a trade, New Orleans could easily have an agreement with, say Boston, with the understanding that Anderson wants to go to Boston and sign a deal that gives him that crucial 5th year, potentially, then we could swap picks and get an assest or two from Boston's current roster, in exchange for Anderson and our 2nd round pick(s) as part of a package deal.
Boston has no incentive to S&T for Anderson. If Anderson wants to go to Boston he can just sign there without them giving up assets. Under this CBA there is no contractual benefits to a S&T. The only team who can give Ryno a 5th year is us. If we S&T, he can only get a 4 year contract with 4.5% raises.
I have gone through this numerous times. There is little chance we S&T Ryno because there is no incentive for teams to S&T this summer outside of the very few teams who don't have cap space. Thus we would need to find a team with little capspace, who has assets they want to dump that we want, and Ryno wants to play for them. Alternatively we may be able to use something like a future second to buy a large TPE if the team he chooses to sign with wants to work with us.
NBA CBA FAQ - Sign and Trades
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Sign-and-trade contracts must be for at least three seasons (not including any option year) and no longer than four seasons
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The starting salary in a contract signed for a sign-and-trade may be any amount up to the player's maximum, however if the player meets the 5th Year 30% Max criteria he cannot receive a salary greater than 25% of the cap. Raises are limited to 4.5%.
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93. Why would teams or players want to do a sign-and-trade? Teams benefit because they can get something in return for players they would otherwise lose to free agency. For players the benefits are limited. Under previous CBAs a player who qualified could receive a full Bird contract and go to the team of his choice, which encouraged the player to seek a sign-and-trade once he decided to play elsewhere. Under the current CBA a player receives the same contract via sign-and-trade (four years, 4.5% raises) that he could get by signing with his new team directly, and can receive a larger Bird contract only if he stays with his previous team. In addition, it is much simpler for the player to sign directly with his new team, as a sign-and-trade has to be agreed to by three parties rather than two. A player is really only forced to seek a sign-and-trade if he wants to go to a team that is capped-out (or doesn't have enough cap room to give the player his full starting salary) and can't sign him directly. Another factor encouraging a player not to seek a sign-and-trade is that his new team might be weakened by losing players or draft picks in the trade. So while a sign-and-trade is a useful tool when the team does not have the cap room to sign the player directly, the player and his new team have little reason to seek a sign-and-trade when the player can be signed without involving his previous team.
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 9:13 am
Posted on 5/31/16 at 11:33 am to oncealurker
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That roster is no better than 6th in the West. 5th if it overachieved and remained completely healthy.
I would be happy with 5th or 6th in the west. I will be real happy with 5th or 6th in the west if we can get players that fit gentry's system, stay healthy, and do not eat up our cap space for the 2017 free agency.
quote:LINK
The summer of 2017 is shaping up to be one of the most anticipated free agency periods of all-time, as there will be a number of unrestricted superstars on the market and an unprecedented salary cap.
The list of players who can be unrestricted free agents in 2017 includes Stephen Curry, LeBron James (if he signs another one-year deal this summer), Blake Griffin, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, Serge Ibaka, Paul Millsap, Gordon Hayward, Greg Monroe, Derrick Rose, Rudy Gay, Andrew Bogut, Jrue Holiday, Danilo Gallinari, Andre Iguodala, J.J. Redick, Taj Gibson and George Hill among many others. Durant could also be unrestricted if he opts to sign a one-year deal this summer, as some have suggested.
Not to mention, the restricted free agents aren’t too shabby either. Barring extensions, that group could include Giannis Antetokounmpo, Rudy Gobert, C.J. McCollum, Nerlens Noel, Dennis Schroder, Victor Oladipo, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Nikola Mirotic, Otto Porter, Steven Adams, Michael Carter-Williams, Alex Len and Kelly Olynyk among others.
Throw in the fact that the 2017 salary cap has been projected to be in the ballpark of $107 million (which would be up from $70 million this season), and it’s clear that some huge contracts are going to be handed out, teams will have the ability to sign multiple max free agents (potentially forming a new super-team or two) and a ton of player movement could be in store.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:26 pm to irvchilichill1
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Don't think Murray will amount to anything more than a 6th man on a quality team but I believe Hield may be a future All Star and has more than enough ability to be an All NBA defender
Posted on 6/2/16 at 1:28 am to Mystictiger
quote:
Honestly, we aren't doing anything in the West next year. We need to make some "smart" moves and start building up our team to being able to compete. There really isn't much we can do this off season to all of a sudden be good enough to beat GS, OKC or SAS in a 7 game series next year. (Besides them losing crucial pieces) Hopefully we will be able to compete for a title in 3 years but some serious changes are needed for this to happen.
Too bad this isn't happening. This front office will probably make some more dumbass moves that end up handcuffing us in the future.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 11:34 am to irvchilichill1
First of all, Great post!! Pels simply attempting to get anything for Ryno or EG would be great although unlikely after the trade deadline passed. I like shooting at #6 pick to replace that production lost in those 2.
Ideally we do go after SF in free agency but I doubt we will show any restraint when offering Barnes. I hope a more desperate team gives him max money b4 we do since he's looking like a role player on a champ team & not a difference maker.
1.Draft shooting(Not a stretch 4, Not a draft day trade)
2.Sign a 3(less than max money)
3.Stop replacing Ish smiths & Brian roberts with Norrris Coles
Ideally we do go after SF in free agency but I doubt we will show any restraint when offering Barnes. I hope a more desperate team gives him max money b4 we do since he's looking like a role player on a champ team & not a difference maker.
1.Draft shooting(Not a stretch 4, Not a draft day trade)
2.Sign a 3(less than max money)
3.Stop replacing Ish smiths & Brian roberts with Norrris Coles
Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:11 pm to LeggauxTigers
i don't get the hield love. for me its dunn murray brown hield in that order
Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:07 am to irvchilichill1
My mindset is KD or bust
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