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re: so the "stay with me" song was a rip off of Tom petty?
Posted on 1/26/15 at 6:55 pm to Tiger Ryno
Posted on 1/26/15 at 6:55 pm to Tiger Ryno
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In the morning...Don't say you love me...'Cause I'll only kick you out of the door
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Posted on 1/26/15 at 10:23 pm to Marco Esquandolas
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In the morning...Don't say you love me...'Cause I'll only kick you out of the door
Great lyric and great song. Faces were underrated
Posted on 1/26/15 at 11:03 pm to Chitter Chatter
And one of the great guitar riffs of all time
Posted on 1/27/15 at 12:27 am to Fontainebleau Dr.
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He also got his "Last Dance with Mary Jane" ripped by the Chili Peppers.
He didn't take that position with the RHCP song.
Rolling Stone Article from 2006
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RS: Have you heard the Red Hot Chili Peppers song "Dani California" yet, because obviously it sounds a lot like "Mary Jane's Last Dance"?
Petty: Yes, I have. Everyone everywhere is stopping me. The truth is, I seriously doubt that there is any negative intent there. And a lot of rock & roll songs sound alike. Ask Chuck Berry. The Strokes took "American Girl"[for their song "Last Nite"], and I saw an interview with them where they actually admitted it. That made me laugh out loud. I was like, "OK, good for you." It doesn't bother me.
RS: There have been news reports that you were going to sue the Chili Peppers.
Petty: If someone took my song note for note and stole it maliciously, then maybe. But I don't believe in lawsuits much. I think there are enough frivolous lawsuits in this country without people fighting over pop songs.
Sam Smith (or his handlers) took "I won't back down", slowed it down, and made it more piano based - but "Stay With Me: is nearly a note-for-note ripoff, musically, of the Tom Petty song. I'd sue, too.
This post was edited on 1/27/15 at 12:28 am
Posted on 1/27/15 at 12:43 am to Ace Midnight
Where can one look at the note-for-note comparison?
I know that each side retains experts, just wondering if anyone has seen the comparisons.
I know that each side retains experts, just wondering if anyone has seen the comparisons.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 12:52 am to matthew25
Look at the sheet music
Posted on 1/27/15 at 12:59 am to BigOrangeBri
Posted on 1/27/15 at 1:04 am to Tiger Ryno
When I first heard this song, I immediately assumed it was a cover because it sounded so familiar, but I didn't spend any time thinking about where I had heard it before. So in fact it does get its value from a familiar hook, so I think it was a fair settlement that they came to. I also believe him when he says it was a coincidence.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 5:16 am to TouchedTheAxeIn82
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When I first heard this song, I immediately assumed it was a cover because it sounded so familiar, but I didn't spend any time thinking about where I had heard it before. So in fact it does get its value from a familiar hook, so I think it was a fair settlement that they came to. I also believe him when he says it was a coincidence.
First thing I thought when I heard it was that it was a re-styling of some other song (like how Puff Daddy's "I'll Be Missing You" is a re-styling of The Police's "I'll Be Watching You"), but I couldn't quite think of what.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 7:17 am to Tiger Ryno
Ripping off music?
If you're a rock band and you play your own song with your own words and it sounds like the work of some of your favorite musicians you grew up listening to and emulating that can hardly be called ripping off. If anything it's homage.
The only time it should.be considered ripping off is if it's a direct cover ala American Woman by Cravitz or if you actually sample the song from a recording
If you're a rock band and you play your own song with your own words and it sounds like the work of some of your favorite musicians you grew up listening to and emulating that can hardly be called ripping off. If anything it's homage.
The only time it should.be considered ripping off is if it's a direct cover ala American Woman by Cravitz or if you actually sample the song from a recording
This post was edited on 1/27/15 at 7:23 am
Posted on 1/27/15 at 7:21 am to Tiger Ryno
That's insane. How deep do you have to dig. The songs are different. Piano, slower, different lyrics.
You shouldn't be able to own a basic music scale.
Another reason why labels and corporate music is just strangling the life out of musicians
You shouldn't be able to own a basic music scale.
Another reason why labels and corporate music is just strangling the life out of musicians
Posted on 1/27/15 at 8:06 am to Breesus
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The only time it should.be considered ripping off is if it's a direct cover ala American Woman by Cravitz
lolwut?
Posted on 1/27/15 at 8:54 am to Breesus
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That's insane. How deep do you have to dig. The songs are different. Piano, slower, different lyrics. You shouldn't be able to own a basic music scale. Another reason why labels and corporate music is just strangling the life out of musicians
It has nothing to do with scales or keys and everything to do with melody.
Journey's Dont Stop Believin and Skynyrds Tuesday's Gone use the exact same I-V-Vi-IV chord progression and sound nothing alike? Why is that? Because Journey didnt steal the melody.
This post was edited on 1/27/15 at 8:58 am
Posted on 1/27/15 at 9:32 am to dnm3305
Double post
This post was edited on 1/27/15 at 9:34 am
Posted on 1/27/15 at 9:32 am to dnm3305
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Because Journey didnt steal the melody.
As far as I can tell the guy didn't steal shite. His song isn't a substitute for Petty's. It's a pretty different song. They have the same basic melody, but even the side by side comparison doesn't fit exactly.
If Ice Ice Baby was determined not to be a rip off of Under Pressure I don't know how you could possibly argue this is a rip off.
It's music dude. Things sound alike. I seriously doubt this guy sat down with Tom Petty's sheet music, recorded it on a piano and said yeah no one will notice this. Then laughed menacingly.
This post was edited on 1/27/15 at 9:33 am
Posted on 1/27/15 at 9:34 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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lolwut?
What are you confused about?
Posted on 1/27/15 at 9:47 am to Breesus
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What are you confused about?
probably, because you said a direct cover is ripping someone off... I would argue that's just what it is, a cover... not ripping someone off
Big picture though, I had never heard that song before yesterday, but def see why there is debate... It's like he slowed it down and changed the words.. That said, I agree that I doubt he did it on purpose and in his mind was creating an original song... TBF, he still has a songwriting credit, correct? He just splits it with Petty? That seems "fair"
edit: IMO, something more egregious, is the rolling stones taking all the royalties from the verve for a looped sample in an otherwise original song... though I believe there should be some compensation there
This post was edited on 1/27/15 at 9:51 am
Posted on 1/27/15 at 10:35 am to TFTC
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TBF, he still has a songwriting credit, correct? He just splits it with Petty? That seems "fair"
Well - whoever wrote the original lyrics will get credit for that. What happens is that Petty gets a co-writing credit on the copyright-infringing song.
The problem is - when you do that - rip someone off (intentionally or not), you lose your bargaining power. For example - Stevie Nicks secured an agreement from Prince to use the music from "Little Red Corvette" for her hit song, "Stand Back". But, that was an obvious thing - she was listening to the song on a long car drive and wrote alternate lyrics. Prince agreed, but insisted he play the keyboards so they would "sound right". He is uncredited, but receives songwriting royalties as the composer of the original music - all of that was negotiated in advance.
If you rip off and get caught, the judge then decides how much you keep to keep as the thief, versus what the victim gets to keep and you usually don't do nearly as well under that circumstance.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 10:54 am to Ace Midnight
I know Brian Wilson openly admits Surfing USA is Chuck Berry's Sweet Little Sixteen melody with surf lyrics... I believe they ended up signing it all over to Berry's publishing company in the end..
Posted on 1/27/15 at 11:02 am to Breesus
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If Ice Ice Baby was determined not to be a rip off of Under Pressure I don't know how you could possibly argue this is a rip off
Ice Ice Baby was a rip off. Clearly.
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It's music dude. Things sound alike. I seriously doubt this guy sat down with Tom Petty's sheet music, recorded it on a piano and said yeah no one will notice this. Then laughed menacingly.
More than likely not. But he is making money and gaining notiriety from something that isnt an original thought.
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