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is pearl Jam alt rock or grunge?
Posted on 10/9/16 at 11:36 pm
Posted on 10/9/16 at 11:36 pm
Sorry for being a dipshit in advance but a friend and I were trying to figure out where to classify this band. Although I've heard their music and think it's great, it's a little before my time so don't know when it came out which of its contemporaries it was compared to. Tia
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Posted on 10/9/16 at 11:52 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Grunge, although I guess you could say grunge is a subcategory of alt rock.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:28 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Grunge isn't really a type of music because it was just what people called bands from Seattle in the early 90's. Alice in Chains, Nirvana, Soundgarden, and Pearl Jam all were very different bands that got labeled Grunge by the mainstream. Pearl Jam is classic rock that would fit very well in the 70's.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 2:42 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Does it really matter?
Posted on 10/10/16 at 7:46 am to auggie
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Does it really matter?
No kidding
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:06 am to rebel of fortune
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Grunge isn't really a type of music because it was just what people called bands from Seattle in the early 90's
This
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Alice in Chains
Metal
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Nirvana
Punk
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Soundgarden
Metal
quote:Arena Rock
Pearl Jam
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:27 am to Marciano1
Pearl Jam is Seattle music or Grunge. I think they hated the term. Each of the major Seattle bands had their own sound as Marciano pointed out.
That period of time gave the term alternative rock. And then EVERYTHING got lumped in. Even old shite. Cult. The Cure. Bands that were pre grunge got rolled into alt rock.
Now it does not exist IMO. It just became what rock sounds like now.
That period of time gave the term alternative rock. And then EVERYTHING got lumped in. Even old shite. Cult. The Cure. Bands that were pre grunge got rolled into alt rock.
Now it does not exist IMO. It just became what rock sounds like now.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 1:54 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Interesting, I've gone with the general party line that classified them as grunge. Their music predominantly derives its influence from classic rock and it projected that vibe. I'd opt for hard alt rock.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 4:30 pm to Marciano1
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Alice In Chains
Metal
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Nirvana
Punk
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Soundgarden
Metal
Posted on 10/10/16 at 5:19 pm to The Dudes Rug
You object to all 3?
He is pretty close. Or as close as you'll get.
Soundgarden Rusty Cage? Sounded pretty metal? Metallica? Nope, but metal? But back then Metallica was still speed metal.
He is pretty close. Or as close as you'll get.
Soundgarden Rusty Cage? Sounded pretty metal? Metallica? Nope, but metal? But back then Metallica was still speed metal.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 5:51 pm to rebel of fortune
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Grunge isn't really a type of music because it was just what people called bands from Seattle in the early 90's.
This has been my analysis over the years - certainly since the decade of the 1990s ended. Grunge was almost a back-handed description of stripped down rock. Basically, crunchy music from the Pacific NW played by guys who weren't teasing their hair (or not much) and wearing flannel got labeled "grunge."
AIC is essentially a traditional heavy metal outfit - more in common - musically - with GnR or Queensryche, than with Nirvana. They do wear flannel. To a certain degree, this is also true of Soundgarden. At the end of the day, only Nirvana and folks actively trying to emulate what they were doing can fairly be called "grunge" - Pearl Jam was "more" similar to Nirvana than, say AIC or Soundgarden, but that may be reverse engineering on my part.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:04 pm to Ace Midnight
I'm inclined to agree with that assessment on crunchy music as applied to Pearl Jam, their general sound is very comparable to Zeppelin/Sabbath's using 90s' recording technology.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:40 pm to Ace Midnight
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Basically, crunchy music from the Pacific NW played by guys who weren't teasing their hair (or not much) and wearing flannel got labeled "grunge."
And lyrically they weren't singing/living about LA's 80's excess or cheesey ballads.
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Pearl Jam was "more" similar to Nirvana than, say AIC or Soundgarden, but that may be reverse engineering on my part.
In a sense maybe. These two bands were gaining popularity by the time Nirvana and PJ hit though. Even though musically there was rock, metal, punk, they still seem to have a certain feel to them that binded them.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 9:07 pm to Cdawg
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And lyrically they weren't singing/living about LA's 80's excess or cheesey ballads.
In the end it's all about getting women, but Seattle made you believe it wasn't. Hair Metal was ONLY about poon.
Seattle sound is the Alive riff and Cobains vocals. AND Staley/Cantrell harmony. Melt those three sounds together you have, Seattle music.
But to the OP again. Grunge is Alt Rock. It's THE sub genre of alt rock that made people come up with a term "alternative".
When really in the early 90's there was nothing that was "rock".
It was.....
1. Pop rock.
2. Guns and Roses or Metallica.
3. Alternative rock.
And alternative rock became everything not in 1 or 2. Can anyone name anybody else making music besides GNR?
Oops Metallica.
ETA I got 12 hours of "work" tomorrow. So I will be here all day to talk grunge.
This post was edited on 10/10/16 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:24 am to LSU alum wannabe
were you drunk typing that? 
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When really in the early 90's there was nothing that was "rock".
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Can anyone name anybody else making music besides GNR?
This post was edited on 10/11/16 at 7:55 am
Posted on 10/11/16 at 1:49 pm to Cdawg
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were you drunk typing that?
Met some people in Sugarland? You know how Sugarland gets in some spots. Before I knew it? I was in a bath salts neighborhood. Talfair is getting rough!
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When really in the early 90's there was nothing that was "rock".
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Can anyone name anybody else making music besides GNR?
What I was going for there was, name a band that was not making something lumped in those 3 categories? Everything seemed to be lumped into alt rock besides GNR . I later caught myself and remembered Metallica and the Black Album. Everything else was bad pop music. That's what opened the door to Garth Brooks crossing over.
If not for Seattle music, what would rock fans have listened to in 1991-1994?
Posted on 10/11/16 at 1:51 pm to Marciano1
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quote: Grunge isn't really a type of music because it was just what people called bands from Seattle in the early 90's This quote: Alice in Chains Metal quote: Nirvana Punk quote: Soundgarden Metal quote: Pearl Jam Arena Rock
This
Posted on 10/12/16 at 9:13 am to LSU alum wannabe
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Everything else was bad pop music
So basically, you're labeling crap that wasn't "alternative" as bad pop rock and GNR & Metallica were the only good hard rock bands. This is just a preference argument then. It's just because you preferred Seattle bands, everything else was bad. I think I see what you mean with that, but it came off as those two were the only bands worth of shite outside of Seattle producing rock. I don't think that.
Go look at the top albums in that timeframe and as bad as it was IMO, VH-For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge was pretty popular, Skid Row had Slave to the Grind, Def Leppards' Adrenalize, Damn Yankees. Ozzy's No more tears. Aerosmith's Get a grip. All in GNR's genre. That's what people listened to. It's just you preferred something different.
You want something comparable to Metallica?
Pantera, Anthrax, Suicidal Tendencies, Megadeth, all had some of their best albums albums in that timeframe.
You want the classic rock type bands?
ZZ Top - recycler
Pink Floyd - Division Bell
Rolling Stones - Voodoo Lounge, Steel Wheels
Rush - Roll the Bones, Counterparts
Eric Clapton's - unplugged
Black Crowes - Shake Your Money Maker, Southern Musical, Amorica
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If not for Seattle music, what would rock fans have listened to in 1991-1994?
Ummmm Chili Peppers?
U2 - Achtung baby
Janes Addiction - Ritual
Lenny Kravitz - Mama Said, Are you gonna go my Way
Tool - Opiate, Undertow
INXS - X
REM - Out of Time, Automatic, Monster
Stone Temple Pilots
That little band band from Chicago called Smashing Pumpkins.
Maybe you want to call the above alternative but they all were played on mainstream radio and MTV and comparable to Seattle bands in airplay and popularity. Or maybe you meant, if not for "alternative" music, what would have rock fans listened to in 91-94? And the answer you gave was stuff you didn't prefer even though it was the popular music of the time so I labeled it as bad pop rock(which it kind of was).
Man this threda reminded of just how much I loathe Aerosmith's Living on the Edge and Crazy. all 1993.
This post was edited on 10/12/16 at 9:23 am
Posted on 10/12/16 at 9:34 am to Cdawg
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Ummmm Chili Peppers?
U2 - Achtung baby
Janes Addiction - Ritual
Lenny Kravitz - Mama Said, Are you gonna go my Way
Tool - Opiate, Undertow
INXS - X
REM - Out of Time, Automatic, Monster
Stone Temple Pilots
That little band band from Chicago called Smashing Pumpkins.
Each of these bands got lumped into alt rock. Perhaps my point was poorly worded.
Alternative rock slowly became what Rock is.
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Pantera,
Thought they were more mid 90's? Regardless I'll grant you them. but lump them into metallica music.
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VH-For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge was pretty popular, Skid Row had Slave to the Grind, Def Leppards' Adrenalize, Damn Yankees. Ozzy's No more tears. Aerosmith's Get a grip.
Agreed, we are now just getting into personal preference. All of these are a big "Nope" for me.
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Eric Clapton's - unplugged
I started to mention 10,000 Maniacs as the entire Unplugged series was a gem in the early 90's. Claptons being one of the crown jewels.
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Black Crowes - Shake Your Money
That was pre Grunge. Or at least it was pre national consciousness of Grunge and Alt Rock. You were the guy who had the Sub Pop Tape or you weren't. Otherwise nobody I knew knew there was anything going on in Seattle while living in SETX.
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Man this threda reminded of just how much I loathe Aerosmith's Living on the Edge and Crazy. all 1993.
Finding Pearl Jam in 1991-2 was a revelation for me. Coul not stand everything else. I listened to country because if you wanted to chase poon at The Longhorn in 1991-?? you needed to know your country. But Seattle music was what we listened to on the way to places EVERY NIGHT!
I was 17-21 during that span. so it shaped what my lifes music would be. That and the "music buddy" every guy had who got you listening to older shite that your parents did not expose you to. That was the Led Zepplin Boxed Set for me.....
and The Doors. Among others. It just happened that Seattle hit at the same time that IMO everyones ear is the most receptive. Late high school and college. Friends turn you onto older shite too. Social Distortion, Cult, Cure, Smiths....
But under it all was Seattle Music for me. Minus the flannel. SETX is too damned hot for flannel. I did have a sweet pair of Doc Martens though. Lower profile though. They basically looked like a pair of Red Wings.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 10:07 am to LSU alum wannabe
Tool was one of those bands that were popular with both metal fans and alternative fans but didn't really fit in either category. You also had bands like Primus, Ministry, and Helmet crossing between genres at that time. You would see those bands on both Headbanger's Ball and Alternative Nation and they all toured with metal and non metal bands.
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