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I don’t quite understand how losing Bonham killed Led Zeppelin

Posted on 7/20/18 at 10:42 pm
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 7/20/18 at 10:42 pm
I will admit this. I know Bonham was one of the best but at the same time I can’t think of many other bands that would pack it in if they had to find a new drummer. Were the others just ready to stop? Or was he that important to the process?

I’m not trying to be provocative nor take anything away from Bonham. I have just always wondered this.

This post was edited on 7/20/18 at 10:52 pm
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
142047 posts
Posted on 7/20/18 at 11:14 pm to
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I don’t quite understand how losing Bonham killed Led Zeppelin
Neither do I

There were still plenty of blues musicians to cheat and steal from
Posted by NewIberiaHaircut
Lafayette
Member since May 2013
11561 posts
Posted on 7/20/18 at 11:20 pm to
What other drummer was doing what Bonham was doing during that time?
Posted by kizomich
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2005
2281 posts
Posted on 7/21/18 at 1:23 am to
Those drums were a huge part of the Zeppelin sound and the last 2 albums were weak. Probably a good decision. I’m glad they weren’t around to do a hair metal record with Mutt Lange in 1986.
Posted by Sayre
Felixville
Member since Nov 2011
5508 posts
Posted on 7/21/18 at 2:35 am to
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Or was he that important to the process?



Yes.

And Plant was very close to him, and besides that had had enough of the Zeppelin machine. He and Page were both devastated by it, but Page never though it would be the permanent end to the band. Plant on the other hand was done with all the behind the scenes machinations and cliques and posturing and the endless drama, and without his dear friend being there anymore, he was through with it all.
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29453 posts
Posted on 7/21/18 at 2:36 am to
Here's the official statement about their decision not to continue as Led Zeppelin:

"We wish it to be known that the loss of our dear friend and the deep sense of undivided harmony felt by ourselves and our manager, have led us to decide that we could not continue as we were."

In other words, they were so close that they felt Bonham could not be replaced. It had nothing to do with musical ability. It was like losing a family member and there was no way to replace that chemistry even if they wanted to.
Posted by Sayre
Felixville
Member since Nov 2011
5508 posts
Posted on 7/21/18 at 2:37 am to
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and the last 2 albums were weak.


There's at least 4 tracks on In Through The Out Door that are as good as anything else in their catalog, and Fool In The Rain is some of Bonzo's best work.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27005 posts
Posted on 7/21/18 at 8:00 am to
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What other drummer was doing what Bonham was doing during that time?


Carmine Apiece (sp?)

He could have done it. He beat the shite out of his drums too and could have mimic’d Bonham.

Remember, this wasn’t Metallica losing Cliff right when things were taking off. Zepplin were on top of the world for over a decade. They all missed home and families and were tired. Hell Plant had a young son die while on tour, now his best friend in the band (reportedly).

I believe they were legitimately heartbroken. Some other drummer “not being capable” was just an excuse. I believe they just would have been miserable with another guy up there. Like they were cheating on him. Like a wife dying and yourfricking some skank a month later. Sure your pipes get blown out, but Your probably gonna be a wreck afterward.

The fact that they never toured again could tell you something. Maybe they’d STILL be sad with another guy up there. Even Bonhams kid.

Listen to John Paul Jones in interviews. He sounds like he is still over it? I can’t wrap my head around being that awesome and being “meh” at a chance to be awesome again, but I’m not him.
Posted by BrockLanders
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 1:16 pm to
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There's at least 4 tracks on In Through The Out Door that are as good as anything else in their catalog, and Fool In The Rain is some of Bonzo's best work.


I certainly hope that Carouselambra is one of your four!
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
78689 posts
Posted on 7/21/18 at 1:28 pm to
I’ll never understand this cliche. Particularly since the blues they “ stole “ is itself hopelessly derivative. They just put their spin on it, the same way everybody else does. And even more so, they did it because they revered it. I mean seriously, who listens to the blues to delve into a new unknown genre? That’s not what the blues are.
Posted by parrotdr
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Member since Oct 2003
7512 posts
Posted on 7/21/18 at 3:06 pm to
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and the last 2 albums were weak.


If you're counting the last two as "In Through the Out Door" and "Coda" I can see your point, although "In" has some great stuff on it. "Coda" was just thrown out there a couple of years after they broke up with a bunch of below-average Zep stuff.

Some folks don't count Coda as an actual album, in which case "Presence" would be one of the last two. I hope you don't mean this, as IMHO "Presence" is an amazing album.
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
15767 posts
Posted on 7/22/18 at 10:15 am to
What do you call a guy who works with 3 musicians?



A drummer
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29267 posts
Posted on 7/22/18 at 10:30 am to
I mean, page absolutely admitted to “lifting” exact riffs and progressions from past unknown blues musicians.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
19500 posts
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:26 pm to
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There were still plenty of blues musicians to cheat and steal from


You continue to show your ignorance when it comes to musicianship. I promise you Bonham never stole a thing from any "blues drummer." Whatever the hell that is...........
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17300 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 7:51 am to
After Keith Moon died, The WHO kept going for another 14 years until Entwistle bought it.

Other than making a shite ton of money and giving fans a chance to see 3/4 of the original lineup live a few times, was it really worth it?

I was never a huge Zep fan, but I respected their decision not to try to replace Bonzo. It wouldn't have been the same, and they seemed to realize that.
Posted by Sayre
Felixville
Member since Nov 2011
5508 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 1:08 pm to
Once Robert Plant found critical acclaim and popular success as a solo artist, it was over with as far as Zeppelin's future. He would rather play their cover tunes with his own band than deal with Page's bullshite.
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