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re: Grohl > Cobain
Posted on 4/18/12 at 11:36 am to Baloo
Posted on 4/18/12 at 11:36 am to Baloo
quote:Just gave it a go. Pretty much nothing about it I like. I think the songs I like that came from Grunge bands really are not grunge songs. Not unlike the way I feel about "Punk" except for maybe the Ramones and The Anti-nowhere League.
"Touch Me I'm Sick"
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Posted on 4/18/12 at 11:45 am to AlxTgr
I didn't think you would like it. But you can definitely see the influence of the Stooges. It's a sloppy mess of a song overpowered by distortion. God, I love it. You can see how the other grunge bands polished that sound of punk/metal soup and softened the edges for a more accessible, commercial sound.
Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament were in the same band as Mark Arm and Steve Turner, the core of Mudhoney, before Pearl Jam. They broke up over making a more commerical sound. You can guess who was on the commercial side (once again, this isn't a "Pearl Jam sucks for wanting to sell records" slam -- it's just pointing out they've always been concerned with making pop songs and their comemrcial success is not an accident, they made conscious decisions to make a comemrcial, mainstream sound).
Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament were in the same band as Mark Arm and Steve Turner, the core of Mudhoney, before Pearl Jam. They broke up over making a more commerical sound. You can guess who was on the commercial side (once again, this isn't a "Pearl Jam sucks for wanting to sell records" slam -- it's just pointing out they've always been concerned with making pop songs and their comemrcial success is not an accident, they made conscious decisions to make a comemrcial, mainstream sound).
Posted on 4/18/12 at 12:06 pm to AlxTgr
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Just gave it a go. Pretty much nothing about it I like. I think the songs I like that came from Grunge bands really are not grunge songs. Not unlike the way I feel about "Punk" except for maybe the Ramones and The Anti-nowhere League.
Listen to "Good Enough" "Pump it Up" (Elvis Costello cover for the movie PCU) and "The Straight Life" I think you will find them much more bearable than Touch Me I'm Sick
As far as the original question its tough for me, I grew up listening to the Foo Fighters although I started losing interest in them around Best of You. There is Nothing Left to Lose is probably in my top 10 of all time. Also, I've seen the Foos live and they put on a great show, they now have Pat Smear playing guitar with them too (ex Nirvana)
But I'd still probably have to say Cobain>Grohl. Cobain just had such a big impact on music and although they didn't release that much music IMO Nevermind is a very good album and In Utero is one of the best ever made. I read a bio of Cobain years ago called "Heavier Than Heaven" and found it to be pretty fascinating, if anybody wants to learn more about him I'd strongly recommend it.
ETA links
This post was edited on 4/18/12 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 4/18/12 at 12:17 pm to Baloo
Kurt Cobain once asked J Mascis of Dinosaur Jr. to join Nirvana to be their drummer. This was before Grohl had joined the band.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 12:31 pm to Sublime
"meat eating orchids"
..I mean,what else needs to be said
..I mean,what else needs to be said
Posted on 4/18/12 at 12:33 pm to AlxTgr
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I remember hearing SLTS for the first time.
I remember seeing Nirvana Bleach in a guy's dorm room at LSU around late 90 early 91 and thinking, hey this band is named after The Cult's song.
Thinking back, It's weird how I was listening plenty of those bands and then BAM, SLTS explodes. The first time I heard it I would have never guessed it would have been the major catalyst it has been made out to be.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 12:37 pm to Scoop
I much prefer Cobain. To be completely honest I haven't really cared for the Foo Fighters outside of their first 2 albums outside of a few songs. The raygun album...albeit nowhere near as polished or technical as their later work is BY FAR my favorite. It was fun. I'm not a big fan of the David Grohl growl that has been present over the 2nd half of the foo fighters career.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 12:38 pm to Cdawg
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The first time I heard it I would have never guessed it would have been the major catalyst it has been made out to be.
I knew it about twenty , maybe thirty seconds in, the very first time I heard it/saw it.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 12:49 pm to Scoop
quote:
Grohl > Cobain
Durr.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 12:54 pm to AlxTgr
quote:
I think the songs I like that came from Grunge bands really are not grunge songs.
Post-punk era The Replacements/Paul Westerberg's 'Bastards of Young' predates Curt Cobain's 'Teen Spirit' by a good 6 yrs.
Westy's early era Mats, Descendents, Bad Brains, Husker Du, Minutemen, Plugz, etc..punk and post-punk bands greatly influenced many soon-to-come grunge acts..as did godfather acts like Stooges/Iggy,etc..I'd dare say Neil Young and Jimi, via Canada and Seattle, also have their influence in grunge's upper NW sound.
This post was edited on 4/18/12 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 4/18/12 at 1:54 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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Post-punk era The Replacements/Paul Westerberg's 'Bastards of Young' predates Curt Cobain's 'Teen Spirit' by a good 6 yrs.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 2:09 pm to TheFolker
Cobain. By a lot.
I clicked on this thread after watching two nirvana docs today.. The nevermind one with butch vig and the interview one with Aberdeen footage.
I clicked on this thread after watching two nirvana docs today.. The nevermind one with butch vig and the interview one with Aberdeen footage.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 2:37 pm to CocoLoco
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You don't think that his death has anything to do with why he is so polarizing? Do you really feel he was that good of a guitar player? Because I sure don't.
Before I answer this, how old are you? Yes, this is relevant.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 2:41 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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Post-punk era The Replacements/Paul Westerberg's 'Bastards of Young' predates Curt Cobain's 'Teen Spirit' by a good 6 yrs.
That song was a watershed moment, albeit not even in their top five, possibly top ten IMO.
Nevertheless, it had NOWHERE near the impact, either intrinsically, inherently or patently, like Teen Spirit did.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 2:59 pm to Scoop
I miss nirvana but the foo keep the torch lit
Posted on 4/18/12 at 8:14 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
quote:I went through a Mats/Husker Du phase. I still like Husker Du just as much now. The Mats not nearly as much. Tim is a favorite of mine. I bought Hootenany late in the game. I threw it away so that no one else would be subjected to it.
Post-punk era The Replacements/Paul Westerberg's 'Bastards of Young' predates Curt Cobain's 'Teen Spirit' by a good 6 yrs.
Westy's early era Mats, Descendents, Bad Brains, Husker Du, Minutemen, Plugz, etc..punk and post-punk bands greatly influenced many soon-to-come grunge acts..as did godfather acts like Stooges/Iggy,etc..I'd dare say Neil Young and Jimi, via Canada and Seattle, also have their influence in grunge's upper NW sound.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 8:47 pm to HideChaKidz
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Cobain.
Ppl forget how big nirvana was. I'm guessing the younger folks will pick grohl.
this. Cobain changed music. Grohl is pop.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 8:53 pm to AlxTgr
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I bought Hootenany late in the game. I threw it away so that no one else would be subjected to it.
I know all of those words, but they don't make any sense strung together like that. Man, "Take Me to the Hospital" alone makes Hootenany worth the purchase.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 9:13 pm to Blue Velvet
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Cobain. Foo Fighters are weak.
Dude Foo Fighters first(1995)and second albums(1997) are classic IMO. Their newer albums don't compare.
But the first two albums are nowhere near weak.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 9:24 pm to Sophandros
I'm 22, but 90% of the music I listen to is from before I was born anyway. I have heard a lot of his stuff, he isn't impressive to me. Just my opinion.
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