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re: Grohl > Cobain
Posted on 4/18/12 at 9:29 pm to Nativebullet
Posted on 4/18/12 at 9:29 pm to Nativebullet
quote:
Grohl is pop.
Come on man. He's one of the last rockers out there. I mean the dude was in Nirvana...
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Posted on 4/18/12 at 9:32 pm to Baloo
quote:You keep typing nonsense like this. You know what I'm saying-stop with the cute little condescending game.
I know all of those words, but they don't make any sense strung together like that
I think it's crap. You don't. There will be eleventy billion instances of that on this board.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 9:56 pm to Scoop
Poo>Scoop
Discuss
Discuss
Posted on 4/18/12 at 10:38 pm to Nativebullet
quote:
Grohl is pop.
Grohl hangs out with Lemmy on a regular basis.
FWIW
Posted on 4/18/12 at 10:51 pm to weagle99
if you knew your f'n drummer was a better frontman than you, wouldn't you off yourself?
Posted on 4/18/12 at 11:12 pm to weagle99
Cobain > Grohl.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 11:15 pm to Scoop
Definitely. Much more musically talented
Posted on 4/18/12 at 11:26 pm to Carson123987
Cobain changed the game and is an icon. Grohl will never be that big.
IMO, Grohl is very good but in the eyes of the media he will just play second fiddle and Foo Fighters will be a filler band.
IMO, Grohl is very good but in the eyes of the media he will just play second fiddle and Foo Fighters will be a filler band.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 11:30 pm to CocoLoco
quote:
If Cobain were still alive today he wouldn't have close to the recognition he has now.
Does Jimmy Page currently have the same recognition now as he did with Led Zep?
quote:
I'm 22
Then I bet you don't remember the time and how he kind of was a big deal then.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 11:32 pm to gizmoflak
quote:
if you knew your f'n drummer was a better frontman than you, wouldn't you off yourself?
C'mon man, Courtney pulled the trigger.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 11:37 pm to Cdawg
Foo Fighters suck, mon.
Nevermind is a great fricking album, mon.
Nevermind is a great fricking album, mon.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 11:42 pm to Scoop
Cobain > Ghrol
FF are a solid band and Ghrol is no doubt as talented a musician as there is and deserves much credit for being one of the only bands from that era still producing decent music. With that said Nirvana/Cobains greatness is a result of being extremely unique by combing pop, punk, alternative, classic rock and metal. FF sound has always had a pretty consistent commercial rock sound where as Nirvanas albums and songs varied a good deal and had alot of depth. Cobains raw emotion puts him over the top.
I've seen an interesting comparison before that Cobain = Lennon and Ghrol = McCartney musically.
FF are a solid band and Ghrol is no doubt as talented a musician as there is and deserves much credit for being one of the only bands from that era still producing decent music. With that said Nirvana/Cobains greatness is a result of being extremely unique by combing pop, punk, alternative, classic rock and metal. FF sound has always had a pretty consistent commercial rock sound where as Nirvanas albums and songs varied a good deal and had alot of depth. Cobains raw emotion puts him over the top.
I've seen an interesting comparison before that Cobain = Lennon and Ghrol = McCartney musically.
This post was edited on 4/18/12 at 11:45 pm
Posted on 4/19/12 at 12:43 am to Brandon Bass
cobain far superior writer,grohl is a great drummer and good musician. foo fighters have never done anything as important or influential as nirvana
Posted on 4/19/12 at 7:19 am to AlxTgr
Oh, lighten up Francis. You cracked a joke, I cracked one in return. Stop being such a humorless scold, particularly when someone responds with a joke to your own joke.
Also, if any was being condescending, it’s you. You were the one talking about preventing anyone from being exposed to music you disapprove of. My joke was directed inwards, making fun of my own lack of comprehension. Breaking it down, your comment is based upon wishing people to hate the things you hate, while I wished for people to love the things I love.
And “Take Me to the Hospital” is my favorite Mats song other than “Unsatisfied.” I love how it is careening out of control at all points, but it just barely stays in its lane. To relate that to Cobain, Nirvana fits comfortably in the Mats/Stooges/Mudhoney tradition of rough around the edges bands. But Cobain smoothed those edges just enough so the songs wouldn’t sound out of place on the radio, leading to their huge commercial success. Cobain could write songs that strode across both worlds, which were far more separate in 1991 than they are now: the underground and the mainstream. It’s a unique gift and what made him such a great songwriter.
Also, if any was being condescending, it’s you. You were the one talking about preventing anyone from being exposed to music you disapprove of. My joke was directed inwards, making fun of my own lack of comprehension. Breaking it down, your comment is based upon wishing people to hate the things you hate, while I wished for people to love the things I love.
And “Take Me to the Hospital” is my favorite Mats song other than “Unsatisfied.” I love how it is careening out of control at all points, but it just barely stays in its lane. To relate that to Cobain, Nirvana fits comfortably in the Mats/Stooges/Mudhoney tradition of rough around the edges bands. But Cobain smoothed those edges just enough so the songs wouldn’t sound out of place on the radio, leading to their huge commercial success. Cobain could write songs that strode across both worlds, which were far more separate in 1991 than they are now: the underground and the mainstream. It’s a unique gift and what made him such a great songwriter.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 7:51 am to CocoLoco
quote:Oh puhleeze.
The reason why so many pick Cobain is because of his death.
I was an adult when Nirvana was out.
It means I actually listened to them as a mature person.
And was old enough to get past the death hype. . .which actually had the opposite effect. People started hating the guy after he died. This unconventional reaction to his death would have brought a smile to Kurt's face.
But, objectively speaking, he was a pretty amazing songwriter. Heart-Shaped Box, Rape Me, In Bloom, All Apologies. . .dude was a helluva songwriter.
This post was edited on 4/19/12 at 7:56 am
Posted on 4/19/12 at 7:58 am to Baloo
I think you're giving him too much credit. He never wanted this mainstream attention so to claim that he "smoothed" the edges is folly imo. How can an accident prove greatness? He wrote good songs but far from great. He was a great icon a great story a great frontman a really really great frontman but just a good songwriter who came along at the right time.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 8:03 am to CottonWasKing
quote:He smoothed the edges because that was his skillset. . .not because he wanted to go mainstream.
He never wanted this mainstream attention so to claim that he "smoothed" the edges is folly imo.
To all the musicians that don't want to go "mainstream". . .do you think they have a gun to their heads when they are signing those big money contracts?
Posted on 4/19/12 at 8:06 am to CottonWasKing
quote:
I think you're giving him too much credit. He never wanted this mainstream attention so to claim that he "smoothed" the edges is folly imo.
See, this is the core of our disagreement. I think Nirvana DID want mainstream attention. Which is why they remastered the "Aberdeen tapes" so they wouldn't be as sloppy and unproduced as, well, a Mudhoney album. I do agree that them becoming so huge and the fulcrum of a cultural zeitgeist is largely an accident of timing, but they were trying to be a mainstream success to some degree (no one could have thought they were going to be THAT huge).
Compared to their contemporaries, Nirvana is poppy. They aren't as distorition worshiping as Mudhoney or as rambunctious as the Dwarves. They aren't as sludgy as the Melvins or as aggressive as Seven Year Bitch. Of the Seattle bands, it's not hard to see why Nirvana was the one, along with Pearl Jam, who would see mainstream success (though Screaming Trees have a beef - what happened there?).
Posted on 4/19/12 at 8:13 am to Baloo
quote:Nah. First time I said nothing. This is #2 or 3-can't recall. I made no joke.
Oh, lighten up Francis. You cracked a joke, I cracked one in return. Stop being such a humorless scold, particularly when someone responds with a joke to your own joke.
quote:I was doing a public service.
Also, if any was being condescending, it’s you. You were the one talking about preventing anyone from being exposed to music you disapprove of.
quote:If you say so. I don't see it that way.
My joke was directed inwards, making fun of my own lack of comprehension.
quote:That's simply incorrect. I could not possibly care less. Remember, we are talking about a band we both like. You lose sight of the big picture really quickly.
Breaking it down, your comment is based upon wishing people to hate the things you hate, while I wished for people to love the things I love.
quote:My #1. See?
“Unsatisfied.”
Posted on 4/19/12 at 8:15 am to Baloo
Watching this documentary on nevermind from Netflix, Cobain wanted success. He wanted to sell 20 million records. He wanted for his music to be heard by the entire world.
He wanted to frick with the status quo.
Smells like teen spirit was the #1 song on the billboard charts.
Think about that!! That changed radio. That changed music. That essentially changed the way radio format was set up. It changed an entire generation that didn't fit in anywhere. He was a voice in the mainstream that was saying things no one else was.
Simply, Cobain wanted to be a rock star.
He just didn't want all the bullshite that came with it.
He wanted to frick with the status quo.
Smells like teen spirit was the #1 song on the billboard charts.
Think about that!! That changed radio. That changed music. That essentially changed the way radio format was set up. It changed an entire generation that didn't fit in anywhere. He was a voice in the mainstream that was saying things no one else was.
Simply, Cobain wanted to be a rock star.
He just didn't want all the bullshite that came with it.
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