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re: Best drummer of all time?
Posted on 10/21/17 at 2:46 pm to geauxbrown
Posted on 10/21/17 at 2:46 pm to geauxbrown
Both Max Roach and Elvin Jones respected Moon (Jones did not care for Bonham FWIW)
Posted on 10/21/17 at 3:13 pm to Tunasntigers92
Keith Moon
John Bonham
Carter Beauford
Stewart Copeland
John Bonham
Carter Beauford
Stewart Copeland
Posted on 10/21/17 at 3:32 pm to DyeHardDylan
Stewart Copeland is an underrated GENIUS
Posted on 10/21/17 at 3:39 pm to Kafka
Jones was just jealous that the white boy had a bigger right foot than he did.
Posted on 10/21/17 at 3:40 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Stewart Copeland is an underrated GENIUS
He had time issues.....according to Sting. BTW, I love his drumming but I think it has hurt his legacy because of the remarks about this time keeping.
Posted on 10/21/17 at 3:57 pm to Kafka
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Wow
Just... wow
Took a while. Body of work was too short I feel. Never got to see him age and get sober or sober-ish to see how technical he could be? He was just known for beating the shite out of his kit, then blowing it up, then being hammered.
But hell, that nearly describes Bonham as well so...?
Posted on 10/21/17 at 4:02 pm to Tunasntigers92
My vote is Buddy Rich too.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 7:29 am to Tunasntigers92
While it is impossible to name just one, I offer this list of those I have seen live:
Phil Collins
Carl Palmer
John Bonham
Terry Bozzio
Neil Peart
Cozy Powell
Jeff Porcaro
Bill Bruford
For those who don't know:
Buddy Rich
ETA: the climax is unbelievable
Phil Collins
Carl Palmer
John Bonham
Terry Bozzio
Neil Peart
Cozy Powell
Jeff Porcaro
Bill Bruford
For those who don't know:
Buddy Rich
ETA: the climax is unbelievable
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 7:35 am
Posted on 10/23/17 at 7:45 am to Tunasntigers92
Buddy Rich or Levon Helm.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 8:43 am to Tunasntigers92
It's Vinnie Colaiuta...he can play anything. Best sight reader...check! Best at playing any style...check! Best studio musician...check! Dude has played on everyone's stuff, from Chick Corea to Megadeth. From Steely Dan and Sting, to Jeff Beck and Joe Satriani. From Bill Evans to Frank Zappa. All while making it look easy.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 8:44 am to Kirby59
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Neil Peart of Rush Not even close.
this
Posted on 10/23/17 at 8:44 am to geauxbrown
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Moon was the perfect fit for The Who.
Couple that the fact that Moon wasn't really a drummer. He was an experimental musician who used the drum kit for expression. Ox was the bass player AND "drummer" (for lack of a better term) for The Who.
I mean - Baker and Carey (just 2 examples) do a lot of this stuff, too, but they can also keep time (even polyrhythm time) respectably. Ox had to keep the groove AND time for The Who.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 8:58 am to Big Chipper
“I’ll tell you a really great Vinnie story. He’s one of the most amazing sight-readers that ever existed on the instrument. One day we were in a Frank rehearsal, this was early ’80s, and Frank brought in this piece of music called “Mo ‘N Herb’s Vacation.” Just unbelievably complex. All the drums were written out, just like “The Black Page” except even more complex. There were these runs of like 17 over 3 and every drumhead is notated differently. And there were a whole bunch of people there, I think Bozzio was there.
Vinnie had this piece of music on the stand to his right. To his left he had another music stand with a plate of sushi on it, okay? Now the tempo of the piece was very slow, like “The Black Page.” And then the first riff came in with all these choking of cymbals, and hi-hat, ruffs, spinning of rototoms and all this crazy stuff. And I saw Vinnie reading this thing. Now, Vinnie has this habit of pushing his glasses up with the middle finger of his right hand. Well I saw him look at this one bar of music, it was the last bar of music on the page. He started to play it as he was turning the page with one hand, and then once the page was turned he continued playing the riff with his right hand, as he reached over with his left hand, grabbed a piece of sushi and put it in his mouth, continued the riff with his left hand and feet, pushed his glasses up, and then played the remaining part of the bar. It was the sickest thing I have ever seen. Frank threw his music up in the air. Bozzio turned around and walked away. I just started laughing.”
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Steve Vai on Vinnie Colaiuta
Vinnie had this piece of music on the stand to his right. To his left he had another music stand with a plate of sushi on it, okay? Now the tempo of the piece was very slow, like “The Black Page.” And then the first riff came in with all these choking of cymbals, and hi-hat, ruffs, spinning of rototoms and all this crazy stuff. And I saw Vinnie reading this thing. Now, Vinnie has this habit of pushing his glasses up with the middle finger of his right hand. Well I saw him look at this one bar of music, it was the last bar of music on the page. He started to play it as he was turning the page with one hand, and then once the page was turned he continued playing the riff with his right hand, as he reached over with his left hand, grabbed a piece of sushi and put it in his mouth, continued the riff with his left hand and feet, pushed his glasses up, and then played the remaining part of the bar. It was the sickest thing I have ever seen. Frank threw his music up in the air. Bozzio turned around and walked away. I just started laughing.”
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Steve Vai on Vinnie Colaiuta
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:01 am to Tunasntigers92
Honorable mention drummers:
Michael Shrieve of Santana (original lineup)
David Garibaldi of Tower of Power (original lineup)
Another poster said it, too many drummers to come up with a "best one of all time". You gotta take into account that jazz drummers are basically on a different planet than rock drummers.
Michael Shrieve of Santana (original lineup)
David Garibaldi of Tower of Power (original lineup)
Another poster said it, too many drummers to come up with a "best one of all time". You gotta take into account that jazz drummers are basically on a different planet than rock drummers.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:13 am to RealityTiger
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Another poster said it, too many drummers to come up with a "best one of all time".
All music is subjective, too. This is sort of like the debates over guitarists and singers - at a certain point you have to balance raw technical ability on the instrument/discipline, with a sense of musicality and the ability to express the content of the music.
Confining it to "rock" drummers (many of them with jazz background, influences or sensibilities) - you have a range of guys with a relatively high degree of technical ability (Peart, Bonham, Carey) who also do a great job (IMHO) in advancing their bands' music.
On the other hand, you have guys that aren't necessarily great technicians - Ringo is the guy who comes to mind here (although he is better than a lot of people give him credit for), but also guys like Lars, U2's Larry Mullen (who is underrated as an all around musician), Charlie Watts (I'll get some pushback on this), Don Henley, etc., who are just right for their bands and either contribute to the music on a more global level and/or contribute in other ways.
There are tons of drummers in between.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:17 am to geauxbrown
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He had time issues.....according to Sting.
There was a certain amount of sibling rivalry (Sting was the bass player, too) and a sense of jealousy about Stewart's overall musical education and expertise. Part of the reason why The Police fell apart is because the band had 2 pretty big egos mashing up against a ginormous one - there wasn't enough room in the stadium for Sting's ego and almost anything else, in other words.
Stewart played late in the beat (like Henley), but was exceptionally expressive - playing late can add some needed tension to the music - it worked for the Police because they had 1 foot in punk and 1 foot in disco. New Wave was great when it worked.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:22 am to Ace Midnight
I think playing late gives it some personality. That's why New Orleans 2nd line rhythms have so much personality. It's not exactly straight on top of the beat and is late on purpose. Almost excessively late with an excessive drunk swing thrown on top.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:05 am to Tunasntigers92
My favs: Peart, Moon, Steve Smith.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:11 am to Perfect Circle
Because this thread kind of ignores everyone post-1980, I'll add:
Morgan Agren
Gavin Harrison
Tomas Haake (Totally different style without the heavy jazz fills, but a monster on the stool)
Gene Hoglan Get your blast beats here
Morgan Agren
Gavin Harrison
Tomas Haake (Totally different style without the heavy jazz fills, but a monster on the stool)
Gene Hoglan Get your blast beats here
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:14 am to Jester
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kind of ignores everyone post-1980
Meh. I mentioned Carey - I think he's a revolutionary drummer. I stuck with Tool because Carey's drumming is so impressive.
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