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re: Why Does this board love No Country for Old Men?
Posted on 2/17/17 at 9:42 am to LoveThatMoney
Posted on 2/17/17 at 9:42 am to LoveThatMoney
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Because there's a lot of pretention and there are a lot of pretenders on this board. Period. A critical mass has declared it a masterpiece and so anyone with differing views is an idiot. Therefore, many people just conform to the notion that it is some wonderful piece of cinema.
I'm too old to pretend I like something that I don't or vice versa. Frankly, I don't really care if people like the movies I like. That's not the point of discussion, to virtue signal or tell me that you liked something. No one gives a crap.
The point of analysis is to enrich our appreciation of the movie. Or maybe see something we hadn't seen before, which changes our perspective of the film (my brother has a ridiculous argument that Anton doesn't even exist... I don't agree, but it did make for an interesting re-watch with that theory in mind).
I do appreciate some evangelicizing a film if they give me a good reason to see it. No, I don't care if you liked it, but if you make a case why I might like it, I'll see the movie.
But this idea that people hold opinions just to impress the other people on the board... why would anyone do that? What a waste of your own time. It's also why I don't really understand trolling... life is short enough to pretend we have opinions. Say what you mean. Like what you like. I take people online at face value because I'm not interested in your own bullshite.
In short, just because you're afraid to engage material and be honest about your own opinions, doesn't mean the rest of us are. That's your own hangup.
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Posted on 2/17/17 at 9:43 am to Tigerbait337
Anton Chigurh (sp?) is a top 5 villain in cinematic history.
That's what carried the movie.
That's what carried the movie.
Posted on 2/17/17 at 9:52 am to Baloo
quote:You're saying this doesn't happen here?
But this idea that people hold opinions just to impress the other people on the board... why would anyone do that?
Posted on 2/17/17 at 9:53 am to Tigerbait337
I rewatched this movie last week. I really liked the first time and like even more after the second time. I have a question though:
The scene where the Sheriff Bell goes back the hotel room where Llewelyn was killed, Chigurh was hiding in the room right and recovered the money?
The scene where the Sheriff Bell goes back the hotel room where Llewelyn was killed, Chigurh was hiding in the room right and recovered the money?
Posted on 2/17/17 at 9:54 am to Peazey
quote:Yes he did.
The main character didn't die.
quote:No he isn't. The story does not revolve around his actions. He provides commentary about the old days and that's about it.
Jones' character is the main character.
Posted on 2/17/17 at 9:55 am to Tigerbait337
Call it, Friendo.
Posted on 2/17/17 at 9:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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What was the point of Woody Harrelson's character?
quote:If you didn't pick that up during the coin flip in the gas station then shame on you.
to show how evil and different Chigurth is
Posted on 2/17/17 at 10:03 am to King George
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The story does not revolve around his actions.
In a narrative - the main character (protagonist) encounters at least one, but often a series of conflicts, generated by one or more opposing characters (antagonists), although in some cases the conflict may be internal.
The title of the novel and film is "No Country for Old Men." The sheriff investigates the crimes (mainly by Chigurh) and tries to save the Mosses. He is shocked by the level of violence involved and ultimately disappoints himself because of his failure to save Moss and retires. Chigurh is the primary antagonist in the narrative, as he is in opposition to the sheriff, although not directly, only by objective. All other characters, including the Mosses are supporting characters to this narrative.
It is without question that Sheriff Bell is the protagonist and therefore the main character of No Country for Old Men.
Posted on 2/17/17 at 10:12 am to King George
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No he isn't. The story does not revolve around his actions. He provides commentary about the old days and that's about it.
The movie is called "No Country for Old Men". The entire movie revolves around Jones' defeated nonchalant tone. That's what it's about. He is the main character, whether you agree or not. It's not an opinion, it's a fact.
Posted on 2/17/17 at 10:16 am to Ace Midnight
quote:Somewhat correct, imo. However, he is directly in opposition of Llewelyn which makes him (Llewelyn) the protagonist in my book.
Chigurh is the primary antagonist in the narrative, as he is in opposition to the sheriff, although not directly
For my money, Anton is really the main character. Kind of like the terminator. Sure Sarah Connors and Kyle Reese are the protagonists, but there's no doubt the unstoppable machine on a mission is the main character.
This post was edited on 2/17/17 at 10:19 am
Posted on 2/17/17 at 10:18 am to dnm3305
quote:Congrats on being the king of facts and opinions.
He is the main character, whether you agree or not. It's not an opinion, it's a fact.
Posted on 2/17/17 at 10:34 am to King George
quote:Thank you
The main character didn't die.
Yes he did.
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Jones' character is the main character.
No he isn't. The story does not revolve around his actions. He provides commentary about the old days and that's about it.
Great movie BTW. I cannot understand how anyone doesn't like it. Just as I can't understand how any Coen fan ranks TBL in the top 5.
Posted on 2/17/17 at 10:36 am to Tigerbait337
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Too slow. Boring.
Posted on 2/17/17 at 10:44 am to Tigerbait337
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Fwiw it only has like 3.5 stars on Netflix.
I blame short attention spans.
No Country for Old Men has also become one of those movies for me that I have to stop and watch whenever it's on.
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Too slow. Boring.
I honestly don't get this. It builds up so much tension in its pacing but I never felt it was "slow". And the action/shooting scene between Llewelyn and Anton is fantastic.
Posted on 2/17/17 at 11:02 am to King George
Everything about how the movie is set up says that the Sherrif is the protagonist. The narrative is of the forces of the world and this old man's inability to deal with it any longer. Where the "action" takes place has nothing to do with who the protagonist is. What the story is telling does. No Country for Old Men has a non traditional structure and obscures the protagonist. This is part of what makes it an interesting movie.
What is the arc of the story? What is the story saying? These are the questions to ask to determine the protagonist, not who has the most screen time. If Llewellyn was the protagonist then the movie would have ended when he died. That would have been the end of the story because the story necessarily ends when the protagonist ends. With whom did the story end? The sherrif, because he is at the center of the narrative and the entire point of the movie.
And yes, this is not debatable or opinion. This is how the narrative is written and the entire point of the movie.
What is the arc of the story? What is the story saying? These are the questions to ask to determine the protagonist, not who has the most screen time. If Llewellyn was the protagonist then the movie would have ended when he died. That would have been the end of the story because the story necessarily ends when the protagonist ends. With whom did the story end? The sherrif, because he is at the center of the narrative and the entire point of the movie.
And yes, this is not debatable or opinion. This is how the narrative is written and the entire point of the movie.
Posted on 2/17/17 at 11:30 am to Baloo
I can see where it wouldn't be for some people, however if you enjoy brilliant writing, scenery, acting, and tension, then its for you.
Posted on 2/17/17 at 11:40 am to Baloo
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But this idea that people hold opinions just to impress the other people on the board... why would anyone do that? What a waste of your own time. It's also why I don't really understand trolling... life is short enough to pretend we have opinions. Say what you mean. Like what you like. I take people online at face value because I'm not interested in your own bullshite.
In short, just because you're afraid to engage material and be honest about your own opinions, doesn't mean the rest of us are. That's your own hangup
I agree with everything you've said. Doesn't mean people aren't people and don't follow the swell of support. That's precisely how overhype happens.
And I think it's a very fine film. Always have. In order to speak with any conviction on it, I need to see it again as I last saw it years ago in theaters. But I don't remember walking out thinking it was the equivalent of this generation's Godfather in terms of cinematic brilliance. That said, I'm not sure I ever feel that way upon first watch. I will say that I have tried to watch NCFOM on HBO or ondemand before and I just have no desire to see it again.
Posted on 2/17/17 at 11:43 am to TheCaterpillar
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Anton Chigurh (sp?) is a top 5 villain in cinematic history.
That's what carried the movie.
True. And to me, the character isn't really that interesting. Javier Bardem's portrayal of him is interesting. On paper, he's flat as frick and I have no draw toward him. On screen, Bardem's acting brings out the inner sadist in all of us and we see the depths of evil in men. Wanton, cruel, unmitigated evil and the joy it brings to those who practice it.
This post was edited on 2/17/17 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 2/17/17 at 2:02 pm to LoveThatMoney
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But I don't remember walking out thinking it was the equivalent of this generation's Godfather in terms of cinematic brilliance.
I did. I'll never forget the feeling I had when I left the theater that day. I was 14 years old.
I'd always go see movies with my dad and I'd always ask what he thought as we walked out. The best praise I had gotten in 14 years was "it was alright," but I usually just got a shake of his head. When we walked out of No Country, I remember shaking with excitement. I turn to my dad to see if this finally got the elusive seal of approval. I don't even say anything and he just grins and nods his head. Pure movie magic.
Only other time that's happened for us was Ex Machina.
Posted on 2/17/17 at 2:17 pm to Tigerbait337
I was sheriff of this county when I was twenty-five. Hard to believe. Grandfather was a lawman. Father too. Me and him was sheriff at the same time, him in Plano and me here. I think he was pretty proud of that. I know I was. Some of the old-time sheriffs never even wore a gun. A lot of folks find that hard to believe. Jim Scarborough never carried one. That the younger Jim. Gaston Boykins wouldn’t wear one. Up in Commanche County. I always liked to hear about the old- timers. Never missed a chance to do so. **** Hoskins over in Batrop County knowed everybody’s phone number off by heart. You can’t help but compare yourself against the old timers. Can’t help but wonder how they would’ve operated these times. There was this boy I sent to Huntsville here a while back. My arrest and my testimony. He killed a fourteen-year-old girl. Papers said it was a crime of passion but he told me there wasn’t any passion to it. Told me that he’d been planning to kill somebody for about as long as he could remember. Said that if they turned him out he’d do it again. Said he knew he was going to hell. Be there in about fifteen minutes. I don’t know what to make of that. I surely don’t. The crime you see now, it’s hard to even take its measure. It’s not that I’m afraid of it. I always knew you had to be willing to die to even do this job – not to be glorious. But I don’t want to push my chips forward and go out and meet something I don’t understand. You can say it’s my job to fight it but I don’t know what it is anymore. More than that, I don’t want to know. A man would have to put his soul at hazard. He would have to say, okay, I’ll be part of this world.
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