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re: Why does "How I met.." get love, but "The Big Bang..." gets hate?
Posted on 2/26/13 at 9:59 am to MrFreakinMiyagi
Posted on 2/26/13 at 9:59 am to MrFreakinMiyagi
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BBT at least used to be good, or didn't appear to suck right away.
HIMYM has always sucked, and has never been funny at all.
This board.
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Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:00 am to Baloo
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I like Friends. I think it was a better show than Seinfeld.
I would say that the rest of you post is completely worthless now for lack of cred, but I want to address this:
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also, why do people hate women so much?
That's a FAR leap you are taking. I'm male. I don't like too much shite directed towards a female audience, but I used to like Friends because it was new. HIMYM isn't new. If BBT is 2.5 Men then HIMYM is a warmed-over Friends except the womanizer is smart instead of an idiot.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:03 am to TigersRuleTheEarth
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The nerd thing was played out after season 2. There is only so far you can go with a premise like that before you have to actually make the characters into 3 dimensional people and not a gimmick.
But they became even more one dimensional when the show stopped really being about nerds. Everythig is just a sex gimmick now anyways.
Also, so you're saying that nerds can't be 3 dimensional characters?
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If they were still doing Moff Tarkin jokes by season 4 people would be bitching.
Because they have a different audience than their well costumed writing and content should appeal to. Of course their audience wouldn't like Grand Moff Tarkin jokes, because their audience are 40+ years old, not twenty-something geeks.
But if it was a show for nerds and about nerds, well, Grand Moff Tarkin is always hilarious.
Also...
Big Bang Theory... It's a trap!
This post was edited on 2/26/13 at 10:05 am
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:04 am to Baloo
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How is being compared to Friends a bad thing? Friends is a game-changing sitcom, and one of the very best casts in the history of TV. Sure, HIMYM is a modern Friends with a different framing device. That's a good thing.
I like Friends. I think it was a better show than Seinfeld.
also, why do people hate women so much? They are only 50% of the population. Why is a "chick show" inherently bad? Are you that insecure? And a chick can't enjoy stuff blowing up and a dude can't enjoy relationship drama? I mean, the undercurrent of misogyny of TV/movie criticism really bothers me. I'm not 8. I'm not grossed out by people kissing.
Again, Baloo on the warpath.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:10 am to Baloo
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How is being compared to Friends a bad thing? Friends is a game-changing sitcom, and one of the very best casts in the history of TV. Sure, HIMYM is a modern Friends with a different framing device. That's a good thing.
Great point.
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I like Friends. I think it was a better show than Seinfeld.
Whoa... Slow down there.
Edit for the inevitable response: Friends was a great show that I truly enjoyed. It made me give a shite about what happened to the characters. It was an awesome interaction between a group of friends that grew up together. Same with HIMYM, you are seeing a tale told by a group of friends that have basically evolved into a family.
Seinfeld is genius. I own every episode, can pick discs at random, pop them in, and enjoy. Still just as funny today as it was back in the 90's.
This post was edited on 2/26/13 at 10:14 am
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:11 am to TigersRuleTheEarth
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That's a FAR leap you are taking. I'm male. I don't like too much shite directed towards a female audience, but I used to like Friends because it was new. HIMYM isn't new. If BBT is 2.5 Men then HIMYM is a warmed-over Friends except the womanizer is smart instead of an idiot.
This is my take as well.
BBT can be a one-trick pony, sure, but at least we haven't really seen the premise before. It's something new and there will be copycats going forward.
HIYMT is fine show, and so was Friends, but they are very, very similar.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:15 am to ProjectP2294
No fair, you changed the outcome by measuring it
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:15 am to Freauxzen
I dont have a long answer for both shows but I dont mind either of them. I watch BBT more than HIMYM though. Decent shows just not great.
BBT is focused now on trying to determine if Sheldon is going to have sex with his gf or not and find out if he is truely gay. The other part of the show is mainly Penny and Leonard trying to tie the knot, which I dont think will happen. Then theres the indian dude that still cant talk to chicks unless hes drinking. Thats essentially the show.
BBT is focused now on trying to determine if Sheldon is going to have sex with his gf or not and find out if he is truely gay. The other part of the show is mainly Penny and Leonard trying to tie the knot, which I dont think will happen. Then theres the indian dude that still cant talk to chicks unless hes drinking. Thats essentially the show.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:18 am to Billy Mays
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BBT can be a one-trick pony, sure, but at least we haven't really seen the premise before. It's something new and there will be copycats going forward.
6 twenty-something experiencing life, love, and work in their contemporary moment?
Never been done before?
The setting may be different, but BBT isn't some new premise unveiled in the 21st Century. It's a fairly simple sitcom set-up.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:20 am to Billy Mays
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BBT can be a one-trick pony, sure, but at least we haven't really seen the premise before.
We had seen shows focused aroung nerds and social outcasts before BBT came on the air. But still, if you found that to be an original premise, so be it. But what it has evolved into is the same type of thing people are deriding HIMYM for being, a Friends ripoff.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:21 am to Freauxzen
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Also, so you're saying that nerds can't be 3 dimensional characters?
I think he's saying you can't just focus on the nerdy stuff if the character is going to be 3 dimensional. I seriously doubts he means nerds can't be 3 dimensional, but you also need to focus on other things in their life like relationships, work, and other various everyday things. Obviously you can inject their nerdiness into things like work and relationships, but it can't only be about them being nerds. I consider myself a nerd because of my like for comics, video games, books, etc. I enjoy the show and don't find they've only gone to sex jokes.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:23 am to TigersRuleTheEarth
Yeah, what a huge leap to call signing off on this statement as misogynist:
First, it argues that it's a "chick show", as if that's inherently bad. Then, there's a statement that only men in relationships get "roped into" watching it. And this was as a critique of why the show isn't that good. Essentially, the "boom" argument is that the show appeals to women. Oh, and that it's like Friends, a wildly popular show that also appealed to women.
How is that NOT a misogynist argument?
And yes, I think Friends was a better show than Seinfeld, mainly because I think Seinfeld is an aggressively mean-spirited show. All of the main characters are horrible people who repeatedly do awful things to each other and their acquaintances. Sure, a show like Always Sunny is the same way, but the central joke is how terrible they are, and they are routinely punished for being awful people. Seinfeld glorifies their narcissism and misanthropy.
As a viewer, I found it exhausting. It's still a a good, funny show, but I actually don't enjoy it on rewatch and I was never invested in the characters. It's a show that was terrified of genuine human emotion. As I've grown older, I've drifted away from things that are mean for the sake of being mean. But I digress. To tie this back into our current discussion, I feel that BBT is also an aggressively mean-spirited show while HIMYM is not. HIMYM shares the hopeful nature of Friends while BBT shares the misanthropy of Seinfeld.
And I far prefer the show with actual characters rounding out into fully formed people.
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HIMYM is more of a chick show that boyfriends and husbands get roped into, then natural affinity develops on the boyfriend/husband side once they get invested in the characters.
First, it argues that it's a "chick show", as if that's inherently bad. Then, there's a statement that only men in relationships get "roped into" watching it. And this was as a critique of why the show isn't that good. Essentially, the "boom" argument is that the show appeals to women. Oh, and that it's like Friends, a wildly popular show that also appealed to women.
How is that NOT a misogynist argument?
And yes, I think Friends was a better show than Seinfeld, mainly because I think Seinfeld is an aggressively mean-spirited show. All of the main characters are horrible people who repeatedly do awful things to each other and their acquaintances. Sure, a show like Always Sunny is the same way, but the central joke is how terrible they are, and they are routinely punished for being awful people. Seinfeld glorifies their narcissism and misanthropy.
As a viewer, I found it exhausting. It's still a a good, funny show, but I actually don't enjoy it on rewatch and I was never invested in the characters. It's a show that was terrified of genuine human emotion. As I've grown older, I've drifted away from things that are mean for the sake of being mean. But I digress. To tie this back into our current discussion, I feel that BBT is also an aggressively mean-spirited show while HIMYM is not. HIMYM shares the hopeful nature of Friends while BBT shares the misanthropy of Seinfeld.
And I far prefer the show with actual characters rounding out into fully formed people.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:28 am to Baloo
I'm reading everything Baloo is writing in this thread in Adam Carolla's rant voice and cadence. 
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:29 am to Baloo
quote:well, Seinfeld was also being created during a time period when shows like Full House and Family Matters, yackfests of morality were hitting their stride.
e I think Seinfeld is an aggressively mean-spirited show. All of the main characters are horrible people who repeatedly do awful things to each other and their acquaintances. Sure, a show like Always Sunny is the same way, but the central joke is how terrible they are, and they are routinely punished for being awful people. Seinfeld glorifies their narcissism and misanthropy.
Seinfeld was forged as a partial backlash to the bubblegum, cookie cutter, after school special type shows.
It's easy to look back now and call them mean now...because they were essentially the first and we've been inundated with copycats.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:33 am to Pilot Tiger
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Seinfeld was also being created during a time period when shows like Full House and Family Matters, yackfests of morality were hitting their stride.
Very true. Which is why it worked at the time. Aggressive cheerfulness is just as terrible. But removed from that context, I find the show hard to watch. Which is why I think it hasn't aged well.
I also called it a good, quality show. Which it was. Just not as good as Friends. Or Mad About You, while we're at it (well, in its first 2-3 seasons).
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:34 am to Baloo
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First, it argues that it's a "chick show", as if that's inherently bad. Then, there's a statement that only men in relationships get "roped into" watching it. And this was as a critique of why the show isn't that good. Essentially, the "boom" argument is that the show appeals to women. Oh, and that it's like Friends, a wildly popular show that also appealed to women.
How is that NOT a misogynist argument?
And yes, I think Friends was a better show than Seinfeld, mainly because I think Seinfeld is an aggressively mean-spirited show. All of the main characters are horrible people who repeatedly do awful things to each other and their acquaintances. Sure, a show like Always Sunny is the same way, but the central joke is how terrible they are, and they are routinely punished for being awful people. Seinfeld glorifies their narcissism and misanthropy.
As a viewer, I found it exhausting. It's still a a good, funny show, but I actually don't enjoy it on rewatch and I was never invested in the characters. It's a show that was terrified of genuine human emotion. As I've grown older, I've drifted away from things that are mean for the sake of being mean. But I digress. To tie this back into our current discussion, I feel that BBT is also an aggressively mean-spirited show while HIMYM is not. HIMYM shares the hopeful nature of Friends while BBT shares the misanthropy of Seinfeld.
And I far prefer the show with actual characters rounding out into fully formed people.
I've tried to pinpoint why I haven't REALLY enjoye Seinfeld when I rewatch it. I mean, I thought it was brilliant only some short years ago. Brilliant AND rewatchable, honestly. I've seen some episodes 5 and 6 times thanks to TBS. But something is different in that show and my expectations now, that's a really solid point.
This post was edited on 2/26/13 at 10:37 am
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:38 am to Baloo
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How is that NOT a misogynist argument?
Because if you read the OP the topic is why does this board give one love over the other.
This board is what? 99% male and a female show gets more love?
Don't play the sex card.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:39 am to Pilot Tiger
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Why does "How I met.." get love, but "The Big Bang..." gets hate?
I don't see them as wildly different at all... two enjoyable DVR-worthy comedies with some really funny moments/episodes and others that miss the mark.
That said, I didn't watch either of these from the beginning, and haven't ever gone back to watch them all the way through.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:39 am to Baloo
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HIMYM shares the hopeful nature of Friends while BBT shares the misanthropy of Seinfeld.
I don't really agree with the BBT portion of this statement. Sure, Sheldon is a dick, but he also sometimes comes around and can be a nice guy. All of the rest of the people crack jokes about each other, but it's all in fun. I don't find it to be mean spirited at all. It's a group of friends who really seem to care about each other, and they do help each other when needed. They also aren't typically assholes to everyone around them.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:39 am to ProjectP2294
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People are missing out on a great show right now with New Girl because of these type of issues.
Agreed. My roommates won't give the show a shot but they're the first to make fun of it or dismiss it as a chick show not worth watching. I have to go elsewhere to watch it
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