re: Who is Snoke?

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Who is Snoke?

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That's the term for someone with a snuke in their snizz.

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Care to elaborate?

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Thrusting the saber forward tip-first. Bringing the saber over her head with both hands for a downward thrust.

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Correct, but it is more than just that. Their form on both moves is identical. So much so it there is almost no way it was an accident. They also framed the shots in a similar way. It's totally possible this was just a little nod to the prequels or even a red herring, but it may very well be a hint of who her family really is.

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If he pops out of nowhere, then it makes no sense.

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Yup. Also, if he is some Sith guy from one of the novels most people haven't read, it really isn't a reveal.

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Didn't Vader and Obi-Wan do this in their final battle?

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Not really. The thrust we are talking about is very deliberate with unique form. The right elbow comes up high by their ear.

Same with the overhand chop. It's form is unique and deliberate. It has only been used by those two.

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See this:

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Hitting refresh on your opinion isn't going to turn it into fact.

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It does to "the balance" narrative that midichlorians did to "the Force." If he is so powerful, they'll have to explain him away from everything up to this point.

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No they don't.

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If he ends up being "the guy behind the guy behind the guy" a la, the Emperor's Boss, that's also lame.

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Not really.

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If he's an unknown ancient Jedi that isn't Plageius, also lame, because there's already a character for that (actually there are like three or four old Jedi he could be).

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No explanation for the emperor in the original trilogy. That seemed to work out just fine.

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His backstory will have to be weaved into the story as is, which makes it difficult to be someone we aren't already at least familiar with.

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Not really.

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If he pops out of nowhere, then it makes no sense.

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Not really. The emperor popped up out of no where in the context of the original trilogy.

Crazy how a lot of your issues can be replied to with "The emperor did it."

I'm not saying that they won't make Snoke's background a mysterious twist. I'm just saying there's no evidence to support it in the film itself.

And personally I don't need it to be much more deeper than what it already is. Rey's past is a more than sufficiently compelling mystery. What happened between Luke and Kylo is a compelling mystery.

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Not really. The emperor popped up out of no where in the context of the original trilogy.

Crazy how a lot of your issues can be replied to with "The emperor did it."

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But the now the Universe has been filled out and now there's a big, bigger bad to deal with who is connected to the current story by way of the Force. It throws everything out of whack.

Now, if This had nothing to do with the Jedi and this was some new alien race coming out of nowhere (maybe now that the Force is effectively "gone" or something), then yes, coming out of nowhere is fine. But, currently, they are insinuating that he's either 1)A Jedi himself 2) At least connected to the force in some ways 3) Someone with knowledge of the force, events, etc.

That means his past intersects with this history. And if it isn't connected deeply, then it won't make sense.

In short, coming out of nowhere is fine if we are talking about a new "thing/race/element/" in the Star Wars Universe that is planning on taking over. If we're talking about a new former jedi (dark or light), new thing connected to the Force, or some other machination that is connected to past events, then coming out of nowhere will seem lame.

That's all I mean.

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I'm not saying that they won't make Snoke's background a mysterious twist. I'm just saying there's no evidence to support it in the film itself.

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Using the robe as a nod to the emperor, hiding his face and mannerisms, not giving any background, they made it a mystery. They've made the "reveal" a thing.

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And personally I don't need it to be much more deeper than what it already is. Rey's past is a more than sufficiently compelling mystery. What happened between Luke and Kylo is a compelling mystery.

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I don't need it to either, but they set it up this way imo

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This would also explain why Luke said in the trailer he has only seen this raw power one other time.

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I think this statement has something to do with Kylo Ren. If I remember correct Kylo was a student of Luke. Maybe Luke saw his power and tried to train him but failed. Also at the beginning of the trailer it sounds like Snokes is talking about Kylo's raw power.

So, let's look at this from a little distance.

Is Lucas involved at all, on the creative level? It's his story, or was. If they are following his intentions, that leads one way; a fan-driven money grab from Disney might be another direction.

Assuming it's at least somewhat from Lucas:

Prequel Trilogy:
Tragedy of Anakin Skywalker, brought about by Palpatine, resisted by Kenobi.

Original Trilogy:
Redemption and Triumph of House Skywalker, put in motion by Kenobi, resisted by Palpatine

So, some questions- do we use PT as first, since it's the prequel, or do we use OT as first, since it's the 'original'? Not that it matters a lot, but it might help determine what elements are essential, and what are peripheral.

Now, the Current Trilogy:
1st part- deconstruction of House Skywalker and all it's accomplishments; the New Republic is gone and the heir has fallen to evil.
Obviously can't end up this way.

We assume this isn't just "set in Star Wars Universe" like Rogue One, this should be bigger.
We have Skywalkers; Luke, Leia and Kylo.

Do we have Palpatine (assume Sith, but is there a blood connection)? Snoke fits that bill, but does he have to be?

Where is the Kenobi (Jedi) side... Rey?
What is Poe, exactly? I mean, he's a brilliant pilot; that's what tipped Qui Gon off about Anakin in the first place. Luke also was the ace pilot of the OT. So, the best pilot is a Skywalker, imbued with the Force... shouldn't this follow in this trilogy also?
Maybe a reach of some literary angle, but why "Poe", a somewhat famous author, in a universe that has all sorts of weird names- is there some Edgar Allen Poe angle in this character? What would it be, if so?

I mean, Star Wars is a big mythos that has been developed, and this trilogy is an attempt to add to it's core, not it's outskirts. This is like someone taking Tolkien and writing "The Last Adventure of Aragorn".

You would think they would have to have purpose and structure, before randomly attempting to undertake it. They have killed off a major character in Han Solo, there must be a deeper point, rather than just some excitement and money-making. They could easily have just made more Rogue One and other spinoffs, and not attempted to add another major element to the story.

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Is Lucas involved at all, on the creative level?

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No. 0% input

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Dude get out of here with this shite.

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No.

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I've seen many things used to show heredity or a connection. Shared lightsaber/fighting styles is a new one on me. That has nothing to do with heredity, everything to do with learned technique. Palpatine was dead long before Rey learned to fight, and I doubt she had videos of him fighting.

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It's not about heredity. It's about film makers giving a subtle hint. This was done intentionally, why it was done remains to be seen.