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re: What all are you expecting in the first Episode of Season 8 of Game of Thrones?
Posted on 1/2/19 at 6:37 pm to Jorts R Us
Posted on 1/2/19 at 6:37 pm to Jorts R Us
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Prior to that scene Tyrion has been begging Dany to start some succession planning - who will rule once she is dead. If she's banging Jon, then any baby would be an heir to the throne she creates.
I don’t see why Tyrion would be opposed to this. It solves the problem of alliances.
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Posted on 1/2/19 at 6:39 pm to Big_Slim
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Nothing at this point in the show would indicate Tyrion has any logical reason or intention to betray Dany besides one ambiguous look at the end of last season.
The books have given us a big fricking reason to suspect that he will.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 6:48 pm to OMLandshark
Also, I’m pulling this out of my arse, but I think an awesome opening scene for Season 8 would be Cersei holding court, calling for Jaime’s head, the Mountain’s eyes then turn blue (the Wall being a magical barrier just being destroyed), and he slays half the court and the Queensguard and runs north to join the Night’s King.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:18 pm to OMLandshark
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The books have given us a big fricking reason to suspect that he will.
Not sure what you mean if you care to elaborate. Granted it’s been a while and I might have missed it on the first read through
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:36 pm to Big_Slim
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Not sure what you mean if you care to elaborate. Granted it’s been a while and I might have missed it on the first read through
Dany was prophesied to not trust the Lion. There’s no way in hell that she will trust Jaime or Cersei... so that obviously leaves Tyrion.
She was also prophesied that she would betrayed 3 times: One for blood (Dany thinks this is the priestess that killed her child and turned Khal Drogo comatose), one for gold (in all likelihood Jorah, but this has passed), and one for love. In the books, I really think Dany and Tyrion will have a very hostile relationship unlike in the show, but she knows that Tyrion is really her only hope in training the dragons and taking Westeros. I think Dany will get her hands on Jaime in ADOS and/or Season 8, and Tyrion will betray her over this in addition to thinking Jon will be the better ruler.
Others she was prophesied not to trust:
The Kraken: Victarion Greyjoy, Euron Greyjoy/Daario Naharis (obviously didn’t happen in the show, but would be badass if this happened in the books)
The Dark Flame: A Red Priest, likely the one with Victarion
The Griffin: Jon Connington
The Sun’s Son: Quentyn Martell
The Mummer’s Dragon: Aegon Targaryen/Blackfyre and Varys (as the Mummer)
This post was edited on 1/2/19 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:40 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
Jon figures out he banged his Aunt Dany
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:42 pm to elprez00
George Martin has made an entire nation root for incest.
I don’t think Hitler could have swung that
I don’t think Hitler could have swung that
Posted on 1/2/19 at 8:00 pm to OMLandshark
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Prior to that scene Tyrion has been begging Dany to start some succession planning - who will rule once she is dead. If she's banging Jon, then any baby would be an heir to the throne she creates.
I don’t see why Tyrion would be opposed to this. It solves the problem of alliances.
Obviously Dany is going to die. Remember, every word and conversation is included for a reason, there is no waste when writing movies and TV shows. Does the discussion about succession planning mean Jon Snow or the baby they're making during the show's hiatus is going to take her place?
I don't know, but she's gonna die after killing her now-north-king-controlled-dead-dragon-baby.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 8:01 pm to CU_Tigers4life
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I Think He Is Dragon Born. I do not think Tywin Lannister is his dad.
I mean, it's been pretty obvious for awhile now that he's the Mad King's bastard.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 8:24 pm to Korin
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I mean, it's been pretty obvious for awhile now that he's the Mad King's bastard.
No it isn’t, and I and many other readers hate this theory more than any other. Tyrion is absolutely Tywin’s son with an alcohol problem and sympathy for the weak. They are dark reflections of one another, and that’s why they despise each other. If Tywin even remotely suspected Tyrion wasn’t his, he would have killed him long ago.
It ruins both of their characters if they aren’t related. It validates every action both of them did to the other if they aren’t father and son, when they should really both pay for what they did to the other. Tyrion if he finds out that Tywin wasn’t his father, it let’s him off the hook for killing him both legally and emotionally and his thoughts would be “Good, just frick him.” That’s character regression. It also makes Tywin’s disdain to Tyrion sane, when it shouldn’t be. Tywin hates Tyrion not because his wife died in childbirth, but because he was a dwarf, and if Tywin has treated him well, he would have been the closest of Tywin’s children. If Tyrion had not been a dwarf, Tywin would not have been abusive of him except when insisting on marriages (which makes him a hypocrite having married his first cousin). He would have been Tywin’s favorite son and been ok with Jaime joining the Kingsguard.
Ironically, I don’t think it would ruin things if Cersei and Jaime were Aerys children. It confirms Tywin’s blindness towards his children and it makes complete sense given Jaime and Cersei’s characters. One half madness, the other half greatness. Plus the link between Jaime and Tyrion having killed their own fathers is something GRRM would do. Not to mention it would be hilarious irony that Tyrion would be Tywin’s only biological child.
I also have a crackpot theory that the reason Ser Illyn Payne lost his tongue wasn’t through bad mouthing Aerys, but stumbling into the secret that Jaime and Cersei are actually his bastard kids. He seemingly mocks Jaime in AFFC over his incestuous relationship and his background. It’s certainly possible.
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 9:14 am
Posted on 1/2/19 at 9:10 pm to ohiovol
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I also don't believe Daenerys is a Targaryen. Well at less book Daenerys.
This thread is hilarious
Posted on 1/2/19 at 9:12 pm to Korin
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I mean, it's been pretty obvious for awhile now that he's the Mad King's bastard.
IDK how you figured that out.
If my only knowledge of this world came from the HBO adaptation, no way in hell I could make that connection.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 9:14 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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This thread is hilarious
We have hints. Strong hints.
It would add more to her boring arse character.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 9:16 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
Lotsa trolls and retards here. I'm hoping there's a Hodor thread. If not, I might skim the main one at best.
First episode, first scene, I expect something at Old Town, with Sam and TFM. I think the story ends there with the maesters and their dragon-killing plans for a technological, modern society.
Obviously, HBO will have them explain this ideal society, and it will bear a striking similarity to socialism. At that point, I'll be rooting for the walkers.
First episode, first scene, I expect something at Old Town, with Sam and TFM. I think the story ends there with the maesters and their dragon-killing plans for a technological, modern society.
Obviously, HBO will have them explain this ideal society, and it will bear a striking similarity to socialism. At that point, I'll be rooting for the walkers.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 9:17 pm to LSU Coyote
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We have hints. Strong hints.
I’m a pretty big book reader, and I haven’t heard the theories that Dany isn’t a Targaryen. She was in all likelihood conceived when Aerys extremely brutally raped his wife after killing Brandon and Rickard Stark, and Jaime wanted to kill him over it. I have never heard this theory.
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 9:15 am
Posted on 1/2/19 at 9:18 pm to Big_Slim
What I dont want to happen, which it looks like it probably will, is for Jamie to join up with Dany and company.
Forgiving and trusting Tyrion so quickly was bad enough, but he was at least different from the rest of his family. But it would just be too much if she took in Jamie. The dude killed her father, that's inexcusable. I dont care how crazy the mad king was or that he left kings landing, he doesnt get a pass.
I could see Jamie leaving, but then coming back bc he wants to be with his kid or he just misses cersie too much. She would take him back.
Forgiving and trusting Tyrion so quickly was bad enough, but he was at least different from the rest of his family. But it would just be too much if she took in Jamie. The dude killed her father, that's inexcusable. I dont care how crazy the mad king was or that he left kings landing, he doesnt get a pass.
I could see Jamie leaving, but then coming back bc he wants to be with his kid or he just misses cersie too much. She would take him back.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 9:20 pm to OMLandshark
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I’m a pretty big book reader, and I haven’t heard the theories that Dany isn’t a Targaryen. She was in all likelihood conceived when Aerys extremely brutally raped his wife after killing Brandon and Richard Stark, and Jaime wanted to kill him over it. I have never heard this theory.
Lemons don't grow in Braavos.
Edt: Also was holding on to the idea that she might be Ashara and Ned's love child that actually wasn't stillborn. That was shot down when George confirmed that House Dayne does not have any blood of Old Valyria. Stems from the "Purple Eyes", her beauty reminding Barristan of Ashara's beauty, and Ned actually disagreeing with Robert's plan to kill her.
This post was edited on 1/2/19 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 1/2/19 at 9:28 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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What I dont want to happen, which it looks like it probably will, is for Jamie to join up with Dany and company.
It won’t happen in the show, but I do think Jaime will join with Jon. Jaime only has two regrets in the books for his actions: lying to Tyrion about Tysha (what a bunch of shite removing this from the show) and not protecting Rhaegar’s children from his father. I think this is really important for the plot of the books (the show hasn’t built this up). I do think he will originally serve Aegon in order to save Tommen from Cersei. There’s no way Tommen directly kills himself in the books and is likely poisoned by Cersei, as hinted at in “Blackwater” which was written by GRRM.
I do think that Jaime will find out that Aegon is a fake, and then escape to go protect Jon, the Rightful King of Westeros once Tommen is poisoned by Cersei and he arrives in the direct aftermath of her killing their child returning the favor to her. I think he goes down defending Jon.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 9:28 pm to LSU Coyote
Tyrion is a Lannister c u n t and always will be.
This post was edited on 1/2/19 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 1/2/19 at 9:32 pm to OMLandshark
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There’s no way Tommen directly kills himself in the books and is likely poisoned by Cersei, as hinted at in “Blackwater” which was written by GRRM.
What season did George leave the show outside of maybe advising? Season 3 or 4?
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