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re: True Detective - S2:E7 - "Black Maps and Hotel Rooms"

Posted on 8/5/15 at 9:44 am to
Posted by Esquire
Chiraq
Member since Apr 2014
11588 posts
Posted on 8/5/15 at 9:44 am to
Everybody is going to die in the shootout, besides RM and CF. They will take the plane tickets and cash from VV and go live in Venezuela and have awkward sex for the rest of their lives.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 8/5/15 at 10:31 am to
quote:

It went from warm diarrhea shite on a plate to a solid hard turd on plate. But to some they are so excited it isnt diarrhea anymore they are happy to see the hard turd and think it is very very good


Well, that's like....... Your opinion man.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
An Incredibly Distant Star
Member since Dec 2013
15176 posts
Posted on 8/5/15 at 12:48 pm to
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I rewatched episode 3 tonight and thought the same thing. "I live among you well disguised" would make sense...


Those lyrics were written in 2005, I doubt that part has any meaning.
Posted by sbr2
Member since Apr 2011
15013 posts
Posted on 8/5/15 at 1:49 pm to
I'm really excited for the season finale
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17316 posts
Posted on 8/5/15 at 9:58 pm to
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Speaking of the orphans of the diamond robbery, anyone think maybe they could b Mayor Chesani's kids? Dark haired, ethnic looking boy and girl, age appropriate, both fricked up in their own ways. Maybe Chesani and his late first wife couldn't have kids...


I've thought about this and aside from the orphans being two random people it's the only tie in that makes sense. There's got to be something to Ani calling him out on his fake accent.

Still, it's hard to believe the mayor would be so supportive of a son that isn't his, and going so far as to call them a political dynasty.
Posted by Brightside Bengal
Old Metairie
Member since Sep 2007
3883 posts
Posted on 8/6/15 at 8:54 am to
So we have seen 7 out of 8 episodes, and we have learned absolutely nothing about:

1. The occult that was supposed to be involved this season.

2. The black bird mask or it's significance.

And dont tell me that the power dudes at the sex party are the occult, because they're not.
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
59021 posts
Posted on 8/6/15 at 9:29 am to
Bra, there's no occult.
Posted by Marciano1
Marksville, LA
Member since Jun 2009
18421 posts
Posted on 8/6/15 at 10:03 am to
Season 2 summary

This should help anyone with questions about the plot.

I think a lot of the criticism is undeserved. Sure, the plot is hard to follow at times but overall the show has been very good from the start. Even if you're a critic of the beginning of the season, you can't deny that episodes 4, 6, 7 were really good episodes.
This post was edited on 8/6/15 at 10:07 am
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
98927 posts
Posted on 8/6/15 at 10:48 am to
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It's a bold move to kill the character that everyone hated and felt didn't bring anything to the show.


I was so pumped.


And when he died, he took it from behind.
Posted by Putty
Member since Oct 2003
25486 posts
Posted on 8/6/15 at 10:53 am to
I think I have some understanding as to what's going on but here are some of my questions/observations:

1. If Caspere etc. used the blue diamonds they stole during the looting to buy into the Vinci mob, wouldn't that mean that the diamonds would have been in possession of Chisani? Didn't the missing girl suggest that Caspere had showed these to Tasha and that's how she got the pics? How did Caspere have access to them, and how could she have snapped pics of them unnoticed? I doubt Caspere would have left a common whore alone with hundreds of thousands worth of diamonds.

2. What motivation did the Russians have to take over Frank's places? These clubs were all billed as relatively low rent, and Frank was scratching and clawing to be a "real" player via the land deals. The Russians were already real players. Why would they dick around with low rent clubs?

3. I think Frank's wife is up to something. Question is whether he already knows or will find out. I think he wanted to see her reaction to dead Blake. Then she asks what she can do to help, and he puts her to the side under the pretext of keeping her safe.

4. Was Blake the Birdman? It seems like the only group that knew about the safe house was Frank's group and then Ray when Frank told him. I guess it could have been orphan girl/boy (see below)

5. Does the hard drive contain sex party blackmail or simply the Caspere murder ? I think its the latter, particularly as it was hooked up to the camera/computer in the safehouse, and the sex parties were elsewhere. Or, another possibility, it could contain video of Caspere's acts with orphan girl and her or her brother want to get it to destroy any evidence of motive. But if it's not sex party blackmail, why does the Catalyst dude want it so bad?

5. Does Besiredes like butt stuff or not?

Posted by Hot Carl
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Member since Dec 2005
59021 posts
Posted on 8/6/15 at 11:08 am to
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5. Does Besiredes like butt stuff or not


I think we can all agree this is the most important mystery to the season.
Posted by etm512
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
20747 posts
Posted on 8/6/15 at 11:29 am to
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2. What motivation did the Russians have to take over Frank's places? These clubs were all billed as relatively low rent, and Frank was scratching and clawing to be a "real" player via the land deals. The Russians were already real players. Why would they dick around with low rent clubs?


Use them as fronts for moving their product and any money laundering operations
Posted by etm512
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
20747 posts
Posted on 8/6/15 at 12:05 pm to
That link helps but I'm still a little confused on this:

quote:

at the time of the riots and the jewelry store was in their district. Caspere also worked in the same department. That leads Woodrugh (Taylor Kitsch), Velcoro (Colin Farrell), and Bezzeridies (Rachel McAdams) to conclude that the officers were all working together. They stole the diamonds and Caspere helped move them.

The money they got for them went to Vinci mayor Austin Chessani...


and

quote:

Caspere holding onto those diamonds turned out to likely be what got him killed


soooo how did he still have the diamonds if they sold them to buy into the mob in the first place?
Posted by Brightside Bengal
Old Metairie
Member since Sep 2007
3883 posts
Posted on 8/6/15 at 12:16 pm to
You are correct.

LINK

nic p. dropped the occult element. Didnt know that.

Still nothing about the bird mask though.
Posted by Othello
the Neptonian Steel Mines
Member since Aug 2013
22925 posts
Posted on 8/6/15 at 1:52 pm to
I think you've found a huge plot hole.
Posted by LSUJuice
Back in Houston
Member since Apr 2004
17667 posts
Posted on 8/6/15 at 4:17 pm to
Or Caspere bought in with the diamonds, then stole them back from Chessani. We know his son et al are attempting to side step him.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
69071 posts
Posted on 8/8/15 at 9:56 am to
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That episode was fricking amazing. Maybe the best of the entire series.



This, I was giving up on the show. I waited five days to watch it. It had me hooked watching it. So much went down, the whole double cross and Vince Vaughn in going hard now.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
24003 posts
Posted on 8/8/15 at 11:10 am to
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3. I think Frank's wife is up to something.


Agreed. She acts "off."

quote:

4. Was Blake the Birdman? It seems like the only group that knew about the safe house was Frank's group and then Ray when Frank told him. I guess it could have been orphan girl/boy (see below)


I think the Bird-man is/was the Vinci cop that popped conflicted gay-boy.
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5. Does the hard drive contain sex party blackmail or simply the Caspere murder ?


It's probably both. They've said Caspere liked to watch. I could see him using that place to host other people for private activities that he then recorded.
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