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re: Three episodes in, is True detective S2 living up to the name?

Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:31 am to
Posted by Cole Beer
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
4584 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:31 am to
Can we all agree that Ray Velcoro and his storyline is the best thing about the show so far?

(along with the opening song/intro video)
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 9:32 am
Posted by MasCervezas
Ocean Springs
Member since Jul 2013
7958 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:32 am to
quote:

Can we all agree that Ray Velcoro and his storyline is the best thing about the show so far?


no doubt
Posted by IPlayedGreatTonight
New Orleans, LA
Member since Mar 2012
1381 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:52 am to
the problem is that there are way too many leads and it's killing the pacing.

I don't think the acting is all that bad. Everyone hates Vaughn in this but he's had by far the worst lines.

"Behold what was once a man"? "A good woman helps mitigate our baser tendencies"? That entire water stains monologue from E02? Terrible. He was far better in E03 now that he's starting to drop that veneer of respectability he was trying to hard to project.

I know Pizzolatto said he "said all he had to say about the buddy cop genre," and that's fine but 4 leads is wayyyyyy too many if you're going to try to write a super intricate whodunit plot in only 8 episodes. Season length has been a big issue for this show both seasons. It needs to be 10 episodes.

Velcoro is great and Farrell has played him perfectly. He's been a wonderful addition to the TD pantheon of great acting. But I don't care about McAdams being a secret perv or Kitsch being a angsty closet case and there isn't enough time to focus on these aspects of their characters and fill out this crazy plot.

The magic in S01 was that we learned so much about Rust & Marty WHILE still advancing the plot. In S02, we're having to switch between learning about these people or advancing the plot.
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 9:53 am
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76271 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:20 am to
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They are using aspects of LA that have really been featured in film or tv before.

Exactly. Not interesting.

quote:

It doesn't have the supernatural ambience of the Louisiana bayous, but it adds its own flavor to the plot.


I don't think it adds any flavor to the plot. Maybe it's not the biggest problem but the setting was a key component to season 1. Don't need every season to be in Louisiana but somewhere more interesting than L.A. would've been nice.
Posted by IPlayedGreatTonight
New Orleans, LA
Member since Mar 2012
1381 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:32 am to
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Don't need every season to be in Louisiana but somewhere more interesting than L.A. would've been nice.


it's an anthology series. EVERY season is different. S2 isn't even the same genre as S1. what place would you recommend?
Posted by biglego
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:36 am to
Anywhere but the usual L.A. or NYC would be a start.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
18376 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:59 am to
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Anywhere but the usual L.A. or NYC would be a start.


Exactly.

The expanse of Montana. The woods of Maine. The harbors of Maine. The campus of Notre Dame. The Everglades. The border of Texas and Mexico. Taos, NM. The Ozarks. The coal mines of Kentucky. A logging village of Oregon.

Something different and something that could really show NEW characters in a NEW environment experiencing a familiar plot.

Catching a serial killer isn't new. Setting it in rural Louisiana and bringing in some of the occult/Mardi Gras shite was new.
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
12746 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 5:09 pm to
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Anywhere but the usual L.A. or NYC would be a start.


Exactly.

The expanse of Montana. The woods of Maine. The harbors of Maine. The campus of Notre Dame. The Everglades. The border of Texas and Mexico. Taos, NM. The Ozarks. The coal mines of Kentucky. A logging village of Oregon.

Something different and something that could really show NEW characters in a NEW environment experiencing a familiar plot.

Catching a serial killer isn't new. Setting it in rural Louisiana and bringing in some of the occult/Mardi Gras shite was new.


This post is the reason that some people feel this board overrates season 1. MM's acting and the mystery of the yellow king is what made season 1 entertaining, the setting just added a mystique. Let's not pretend this is the first time a mystery has been set in New Orleans or the bayou.

If the setting is best thing a show has going for it, then it wasn't a good show.
Posted by damnedoldtigah
Middle of Louisiana
Member since Jan 2014
4275 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:43 pm to
Well we do know that Rachel McAdams looks good in a pair of jeans. Would love to see her without them - front and rear.
Posted by Eternally Undefeated
Member since Aug 2008
899 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:45 pm to
In all honesty, the story for Season One was not really that entertaining. What made Season One so good was the casting of McConaughey and Harrelson (plus throw in the nudity of Alexandra Daddario). If you had Colin Farrell and Rachel McAdams (or Vince Vaughn) in the same roles as Matthew and Woody had in Season One, no one would really have liked it, either.

Maybe, McConaughey and Harrelson could make Season Two better, too. I agree that the story is weak so far; but, I'll keep watching.

That's my two cents' worth, anyway.
Posted by HappyTownTiger
Member since Jan 2012
1577 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:42 pm to
I know I am in the minority, but I think it's going to be better than season 1. I felt that NP really blew it in the finale, messing up what could've been one if the best shows ever.
I feel that he will actually go there with the supernatural purgatory stuff. He's been doing Lynch better than Lynch (less cartoonish).
Plus, I've really enjoyed the acting. All four of them. Everyone of them are miscast. Farrell-not the pretty boy, VV--not the wisecracker, RM-not the romantic drama hottie, TK-gay poser. It gives a more disjointed, dreamlike feel and adds to the creepiness.
I feel a big payoff coming.
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
12746 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:20 pm to
quote:

In all honesty, the story for Season One was not really that entertaining. What made Season One so good was the casting of McConaughey and Harrelson (plus throw in the nudity of Alexandra Daddario). If you had Colin Farrell and Rachel McAdams (or Vince Vaughn) in the same roles as Matthew and Woody had in Season One, no one would really have liked it, either.

Maybe, McConaughey and Harrelson could make Season Two better, too. I agree that the story is weak so far; but, I'll keep watching.


you are right, MM and harrelson carried season 1. The story could have been great had NP focused the last few episodes on the whole mystery rather than going off on weird philosophical tangents. The whole premise of the yellow king was really cool, unfortunately the show was never supposed to be a whodunit, but rather the buddy cop character study.
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
35258 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:23 pm to
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Tough to hear but it's good to know i didn't waste any time watching it.
That's relative. I don't think it's a "waste of time" by any means. I've seen much worse TV shows. It's not as good as last season, but I think it's worth watching. There are definitely worse things out there to watch.
Posted by JinFL
Duuuval
Member since Oct 2004
3939 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 6:47 am to
I'm really enjoying the S2 and I thought S1 was the best thing on TV. Picking up steam now in ep3.
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76271 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:18 am to
That's exactly what I was trying to say. Season 1 laid down some expectations, which includes an interesting backdrop.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422393 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:33 am to
i've only seen ep 1 and i thought it was exceptionally cheesey while trying to imitate season 1

it was just one episode, but it's a 180 from the first episode last year

of course, this sets the season up for a much more consistent overall season b/c it can't fall off a cliff
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
150674 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:28 am to
I've only seen E1 as well, since for some reason my HBOgo won't play S2 of TD. It plays everything else, but I get an error messaeg when I try to play S2 (which is weird considering I watched the first episode on there).

I am hoping to catch up on the last two eps in the next day or two.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422393 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 11:58 am to
that's weird. i watched 1 on HBOGO but have them DVR'd i think. i will try ep2 tonight via HBOGO hopefully and report back
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
28872 posts
Posted on 7/11/15 at 11:30 am to
I just caught up after feeling pretty meh the first episode.

It's growing. I'm a little more interested than I was the first week, but I got the criticism of last week. I had no idea where they were headed.

Farrell and Vaughn are doing a good job. McAdams and Kitsch aren't particularly good actors anyways.
Posted by Big Moe
Chicago
Member since Feb 2013
3989 posts
Posted on 7/11/15 at 12:37 pm to
Not the greatest, but not as bad as people are saying it is.

Too many people are expecting it to be like season 1, when they are completely different in nature. It's a lot slower, but it is also setting up for a much better ending than last season. Several big story lines have yet to be explored in depth
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