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The Problem with Comic Book Movies
Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:01 am
Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:01 am
I think i finally figured it out.
The storylines for these movies are too big. The villains and their plots are to grand-scale.
You cant have these guys save the whole world everytime. Or at the very least you cant have them save the world from something that wants to just do horrible major destruction.
If you had these individual heroes solving smaller more reasonable issues the movie could be story driven but more importantly when they finally do team in Avenger/Justice League movies, you wouldn't be left saying "How is this more deserving of everyone's attention than that thing that just ____ solved in his second movie?"
I think about Bond movies or say a Jack Reacher movie, and often times, even if they are "saving the world" the world is unaware and it is done in smaller venues. Its more realistic and just as entertaining, if not more.
Is it too late to scale back on the plots of comicbook movies?
The storylines for these movies are too big. The villains and their plots are to grand-scale.
You cant have these guys save the whole world everytime. Or at the very least you cant have them save the world from something that wants to just do horrible major destruction.
If you had these individual heroes solving smaller more reasonable issues the movie could be story driven but more importantly when they finally do team in Avenger/Justice League movies, you wouldn't be left saying "How is this more deserving of everyone's attention than that thing that just ____ solved in his second movie?"
I think about Bond movies or say a Jack Reacher movie, and often times, even if they are "saving the world" the world is unaware and it is done in smaller venues. Its more realistic and just as entertaining, if not more.
Is it too late to scale back on the plots of comicbook movies?
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 9:02 am
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:07 am to Hester Carries
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I think i finally figured it out.
The storylines for these movies are too big. The villains and their plots are to grand-scale.
You cant have these guys save the whole world everytime. Or at the very least you cant have them save the world from something that wants to just do horrible major destruction.
If you had these individual heroes solving smaller more reasonable issues the movie could be story driven but more importantly when they finally do team in Avenger/Justice League movies, you wouldn't be left saying "How is this more deserving of everyone's attention than that thing that just ____ solved in his second movie?"
I think about Bond movies or say a Jack Reacher movie, and often times, even if they are "saving the world" the world is unaware and it is done in smaller venues. Its more realistic and just as entertaining, if not more.
This is certainly true. The whole world being in danger ever. single time. is tiresome.
That was part of the charm of Ant-Man and even Iron Man. Marvel still runs into the problem of crafting very similar stories (see those films), and I'm hoping Civil War, Strange and Panther all keep it small.
This is also why the Netflix shows work so well.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:12 am to Hester Carries
I think the problem is its hard to enjoy them when the fanboy stuff is so out of control
Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:13 am to Freauxzen
Your point is valid depending on the movie or character.
See Freauxs Antman and IM example. On the other hand, one would expect a team of heroes to be dealing with much larger scale situations. Especially when said team is partially composed of heroes that carry their own films.
See Freauxs Antman and IM example. On the other hand, one would expect a team of heroes to be dealing with much larger scale situations. Especially when said team is partially composed of heroes that carry their own films.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:25 am to Hester Carries
This isn't isolated to comic book movies. Remember Star Wars and Return of the Jedi? They had to destroy this one weapon that could destroy entire planets with one blast.
Star Trek movies have fended off the destruction of Earth, while other entire planets were destroyed.
Dr. Who has saved Earth and multiple other worlds just in individual TV episodes.
Anti-comic book movie types focus too much on the costumes and superhero aspects, and completely ignoring the overlaps with sci-fi, classic epics, and even westerns. Sure, the entire world was never at stake in classic westerns, but entire towns were and entire casts were wiped out in some films.
You could enjoy some of these movies a lot more if you didn't go in locked on the term "comic book movie."
Star Trek movies have fended off the destruction of Earth, while other entire planets were destroyed.
Dr. Who has saved Earth and multiple other worlds just in individual TV episodes.
Anti-comic book movie types focus too much on the costumes and superhero aspects, and completely ignoring the overlaps with sci-fi, classic epics, and even westerns. Sure, the entire world was never at stake in classic westerns, but entire towns were and entire casts were wiped out in some films.
You could enjoy some of these movies a lot more if you didn't go in locked on the term "comic book movie."
Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:27 am to YumYum Sauce
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I think the problem is its hard to enjoy them when the fanboy stuff is so out of control
OP, I agree with you. I'm more excited for suicide squad than I am about Bvs because of the reasons you mentioned. BvS appears to be another grand scale, save the whole worl CGI fest. I think people were really drawn to GOTG because it was so different than the usual superhero films.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:27 am to Murray
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On the other hand, one would expect a team of heroes to be dealing with much larger scale situations. Especially when said team is partially composed of heroes that carry their own films.
I said that. Leave the huge battles for the teams.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:35 am to Hester Carries
Some of the best Batman stories involved isolated robberies, kidnappings, murders... The big, sweeping battles to save Gotham from total destruction were few and far between.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:39 am to Hester Carries
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You cant have these guys save the whole world everytime.
A good villain isn't the guy that's trying to destroy the world, it's the guy that's always a step ahead of the hero who's just reacting and playing defense.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:52 am to RLDSC FAN
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BvS appears to be another grand scale, save the whole worl CGI fest. I think people were really drawn to GOTG because it was so different than the usual superhero films.
Saving the galaxy instead of the world was a refreshing take.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:02 am to Fewer Kilometers
Batman has both great large scale stories (Knightfall, Court of Owls) and personal stories (Death in the Family, Killing Joker, Under the Red Hood). I was always disappointed with most of his movies never addressing it. The latest Batman stuff tried to give it a more personal feel, but I think still came up short. Batman 1 & 2 (originals) were very good and then that shite got campy as frick.
It is one of the reasons I like Thor so much. The majority of his movies are family-driven drama.
I don't mind the "save the world" motif every so often but I wish they would do some personal stories as well. Winter Soldier had some of that. Even though the fate of the world wad at stake, it still was largely about Cap having to face his best friend to save the world.
It is one of the reasons I like Thor so much. The majority of his movies are family-driven drama.
I don't mind the "save the world" motif every so often but I wish they would do some personal stories as well. Winter Soldier had some of that. Even though the fate of the world wad at stake, it still was largely about Cap having to face his best friend to save the world.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:38 am to ThoseGuys
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I don't mind the "save the world" motif every so often but I wish they would do some personal stories as well. Winter Soldier had some of that. Even though the fate of the world wad at stake, it still was largely about Cap having to face his best friend to save the world.
I agree but I'm having a hard time thinking of where the "everything's at stake" is a problem other than a couple of films. Are we talking entire cities being endangered being too large a scope as well?
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:52 am to Murray
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Are we talking entire cities being endangered being too large a scope as well?
Depends on whos endangering them and how far along it gets. But yes possibly.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:16 am to Hester Carries
About half MCU movies aren't really about saving the world.
Iron Man - Tony Stark fends off a hostile takeover of his company b/c he doesn't want to be a weapons dealer anymore.
Iron Man 2 - Tony Stark stops competing weapons dealer from creating suit similar to Iron Man suit b/c he wants to be the only living weapon in the world.
Iron Man 3 - Tony Stark saves President and stops rival weapons dealer from creating super soldiers that can be sold to govts scared shitless over what are essentially corporate false flag attacks .
Incredible Hulk - Bruce Banner evades US military to avoid being a lab rat.
Thor - Thor must stop Loki who wants to prove his worth to Odin by killing the Frost Giants so he can be the future king of Asgard.
Ant Man - Scott Lang must help Hank Pym stop a weapons dealer from replicating his work.
Thor 2, Avengers, Avengers 2, Captain America, Captain America 2, and Guardians are the ones that the world/universe are in the balance.
Iron Man - Tony Stark fends off a hostile takeover of his company b/c he doesn't want to be a weapons dealer anymore.
Iron Man 2 - Tony Stark stops competing weapons dealer from creating suit similar to Iron Man suit b/c he wants to be the only living weapon in the world.
Iron Man 3 - Tony Stark saves President and stops rival weapons dealer from creating super soldiers that can be sold to govts scared shitless over what are essentially corporate false flag attacks .
Incredible Hulk - Bruce Banner evades US military to avoid being a lab rat.
Thor - Thor must stop Loki who wants to prove his worth to Odin by killing the Frost Giants so he can be the future king of Asgard.
Ant Man - Scott Lang must help Hank Pym stop a weapons dealer from replicating his work.
Thor 2, Avengers, Avengers 2, Captain America, Captain America 2, and Guardians are the ones that the world/universe are in the balance.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:38 am to Hester Carries
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Bond movies
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Jack Reacher
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realistic
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:45 am to Hester Carries
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The storylines for these movies are too big. The villains and their plots are to grand-scale.
Not always. Marvel's done a fairly decent job of balancing this. Most of these IPs have a fairly extensive Rogues Galleries. Where they've run into problems is when they've gotten away from them (ala Superman 3 and 4).
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If you had these individual heroes solving smaller more reasonable issues the movie could be story driven
Ala Winter Soldier?
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when they finally do team in Avenger/Justice League movies, you wouldn't be left saying "How is this more deserving of everyone's attention than that thing that just ____ solved in his second movie?"
I always assumed all of the MCU movies were generally taking place at the same time. So Thor might be busy. Although, a little upset Stark wasn't around after Winter Soldier. They bastardized his tech. Maybe this will be addressed in Civil War.
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I think about Bond movies or say a Jack Reacher movie, and often times, even if they are "saving the world" the world is unaware and it is done in smaller venues. Its more realistic and just as entertaining, if not more.
Thats not a terrible opinion. Comic Book movies do require a little bit greater suspension of disbelief.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 12:55 pm to Hester Carries
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You cant have these guys save the whole world everytime. Or at the very least you cant have them save the world from something that wants to just do horrible major destruction.
If you had these individual heroes solving smaller more reasonable issues the movie could be story driven but more importantly when they finally do team in Avenger/Justice League movies, you wouldn't be left saying "How is this more deserving of everyone's attention than that thing that just ____ solved in his second movie?"
I think this is why Arrow and The Flash have been successful. It's hard to sell that kind of story telling to movie producers because it works better as a TV series.
These movies, especially origin stories, devote too much time to character development. You hardly get to see them kick arse as the actual hero. Then the movie ends with a giant messy battle scene where the hero nearly dies and gets his suit all tattered and torn, only to overcome and achieve victory. The formula is getting tired.
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