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re: The OFFICIAL Man of Steel Discussion and ***SPOILERS*** Thread
Posted on 6/14/13 at 4:35 pm to Sentrius
Posted on 6/14/13 at 4:35 pm to Sentrius
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We've been waiting a long time for Superman to be done justice and it finally happened. That was a great, great movie. The story itself was good enough and it held on its own. The action was amazing, it makes Superman Returns look like a stroll in the park. at Brian Singer. Everybody was great in their roles, especially Superman and Zod. This will be cherished by me for a long time.
All that. Got back from seeing it with my wife and two sons a little while ago. The 6 year old got bored, but everyone else loved it.
As a guy that saw the Reeve/Donner movie as an 8 year old in the theater in 1978, I can say that this is finally the Superman movie I've been wanting to see. Thankfully my enjoyment of things is not drawn from the consensus, because it appears that those who expected the movie to have a feel like the 1978 versions are going to shite on this one.
Thoroughly enjoyed the movie and can't wait to see it again.
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Posted on 6/14/13 at 5:07 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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because it appears that those who expected the movie to have a feel like the 1978 versions are going to shite on this one.
Honestly, while I don't agree, I can see where some of the haters are coming from. If I was ok with Returns and wanted more of that flavor, this very non-traditional version would throw me off.
Sucks for them tho because I enjoyed the shite out of MOS.
I can't wait for Lex, Kryptonite, and hopefully Braniac in the sequel.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 5:11 pm to DURANTULA
For Wild:
SPOILER for some+++++++
Lois knew - "Welcome to the planet (Earth)"
+++++++ end Spoiler
SPOILER for some+++++++
Lois knew - "Welcome to the planet (Earth)"
+++++++ end Spoiler
Posted on 6/14/13 at 5:15 pm to udtiger
Or the Daily Planet 
Posted on 6/14/13 at 5:18 pm to wildtigercat93
Watch the scene.
Plus, it's established she knows earlier in the film.
Plus, it's established she knows earlier in the film.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 5:19 pm to udtiger
Well i cant watch it now 
I admit i could be completely wrong, and probably am
I admit i could be completely wrong, and probably am
Posted on 6/14/13 at 5:26 pm to wildtigercat93
Touche'
Posted on 6/14/13 at 5:26 pm to DURANTULA
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To Wild, she clearly knew who he was, she already knew his name from her research. She was pretending not to in order to protect his identity.
Yeah Wild. I don't even see how that point is up for debate. She tracked to his farm, called him Clark the whole movie. She definitely knows who he is.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 5:29 pm to Murray
Guess i just misinterpreted it then
Im glad about that though, it be dumb if she didnt know
Im glad about that though, it be dumb if she didnt know
Posted on 6/14/13 at 5:47 pm to Murray
I for one am so glad Superman has laid the foundation for the DC Universe, officially.
A lot was at stake here, and that's what critics don't get. This Superman, HIS story, is what everything in DC will revolve around, and for THAT reason, a lot of things either (1) have to go or (2) not be mentioned.
Marvel has a leg up on DC because it has real, relatable places. I mean, we can't refer to Freedom City and all this other goofiness that the DC Universe has in it. Notice Clark referred to being from Kansas not Smallville . He got sick on the ship not because of Kryptonite, but due to bring exposed to Kryptons atmosphere.
Think really hard fanboys, about goofiness that we won't see in this franchise. Brainiac, Doomsday, those are all as silly as Metropolis or Lois Lane, Lana Lang, and Lex Luthor...was that some inside joke to name everyone in double consonants? And what is the Kent's first names?. I heard one poster say that Alexander Luthor would be better. I concur.
This is the new path that will open up doors for all DC's characters.
Some realism, seriousness.
Heads will roll. And as this movie shows, the body count will go up.
A lot was at stake here, and that's what critics don't get. This Superman, HIS story, is what everything in DC will revolve around, and for THAT reason, a lot of things either (1) have to go or (2) not be mentioned.
Marvel has a leg up on DC because it has real, relatable places. I mean, we can't refer to Freedom City and all this other goofiness that the DC Universe has in it. Notice Clark referred to being from Kansas not Smallville . He got sick on the ship not because of Kryptonite, but due to bring exposed to Kryptons atmosphere.
Think really hard fanboys, about goofiness that we won't see in this franchise. Brainiac, Doomsday, those are all as silly as Metropolis or Lois Lane, Lana Lang, and Lex Luthor...was that some inside joke to name everyone in double consonants? And what is the Kent's first names?. I heard one poster say that Alexander Luthor would be better. I concur.
This is the new path that will open up doors for all DC's characters.
Some realism, seriousness.
Heads will roll. And as this movie shows, the body count will go up.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 6:08 pm to EthanL
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Think really hard fanboys, about goofiness that we won't see in this franchise. Brainiac, Doomsday, those are all as silly as Metropolis or Lois Lane, Lana Lang, and Lex Luthor...was that some inside joke to name everyone in double consonants? And what is the Kent's first names?. I heard one poster say that Alexander Luthor would be better. I concur.
I disagree with alllll of this
Posted on 6/14/13 at 6:09 pm to EthanL
They did make references to Clark being from Smallville. They threw the Jayhawks/Royals/Kansas stuff in there to make it blatant that they were using the "real" US in this bad boy.
I don't see how you can say Brainiac is silly. He's basically the smartest being in the galaxy and can throwdown too. Has a huge ego though. Doomsday is a bad motherfricker. Don't get how Metropolis is suppose to be goofy.
The Kents are Jonathan and Martha. How do you not know this?
Side note, I love the contrast between Bruce Wayne/Batman and Clark Kent/Superman.
Bruce Wayne's family is the oldest of the old money for Gotham. The Kents aren't even Clark's family and they are humble farmers.
Bruce is a fragile (emotionally) human. Superman is a god-like being.
Bruce has to hide his true identity. Superman is all up in the cameras and "hides" with some shaggy hair and some specs.
Batman refuses to kill deliberately kill anyone. Superman will frick you up.
Really love how Goyer didn't try to make Superman more like Batman and instead made the differences honest and open.
I don't see how you can say Brainiac is silly. He's basically the smartest being in the galaxy and can throwdown too. Has a huge ego though. Doomsday is a bad motherfricker. Don't get how Metropolis is suppose to be goofy.
The Kents are Jonathan and Martha. How do you not know this?
Side note, I love the contrast between Bruce Wayne/Batman and Clark Kent/Superman.
Bruce Wayne's family is the oldest of the old money for Gotham. The Kents aren't even Clark's family and they are humble farmers.
Bruce is a fragile (emotionally) human. Superman is a god-like being.
Bruce has to hide his true identity. Superman is all up in the cameras and "hides" with some shaggy hair and some specs.
Batman refuses to kill deliberately kill anyone. Superman will frick you up.
Really love how Goyer didn't try to make Superman more like Batman and instead made the differences honest and open.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 6:28 pm to EthanL
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Heads will roll. And as this movie shows, the body count will go up.
No shite, right?
Just how many people died in Metropolis?!? A few million?
Honestly, that was my only real gripe. Not that they killed a bunch of people. I mean...what would you expect if something like that went down? But after it all happened, Clark rolls into The Daily Planet right as some guy is trying to get Lois to go to some ballgame with him. A ball game?!? Was that the one structure that was NOT fricking destroyed in town? 9-11 took down a few buildings and killed 3,000 people and the entire country was damn near at a standstill for weeks.. This shite took out blocks and blocks, killed hundred of thousands if not millions, ushered in an age of godlike beings fricking shite up...and someone is still interested in going to a ball game in town? hahaha
Still...really loved this flick.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:16 pm to DURANTULA
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I don't see how you can say Brainiac is silly. He's basically the smartest being in the galaxy and can throwdown too. Has a huge ego though. Doomsday is a bad motherfricker. Don't get how Metropolis is suppose to be goofy.
A person with a big ego, is called an egomaniac. A smart person is called a Braniac. A big city is called a Metropolis. A small city is called Smallville.
I'm saying these things are waay to 1st grader-ish. It won't fare well if an entire universe is brought to the big screen with realism as its shoulder patch---with all the important proper nouns keeping their same unimaginative names
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:38 pm to EthanL
Well hell let's just come up with some batshit off the wall names because you think that Metropolis is just too 1st grade-y for you.
I suppose that Lois needs to be tossed aside for Shakanique Boqueisha and the primary villains name needs to be Gksjgskgjsf Ysjlpqdqcqs from Planet Pksgkngekn in the Qpzxacks Galaxy.
Com'on man.
I suppose that Lois needs to be tossed aside for Shakanique Boqueisha and the primary villains name needs to be Gksjgskgjsf Ysjlpqdqcqs from Planet Pksgkngekn in the Qpzxacks Galaxy.
Com'on man.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:42 pm to DURANTULA
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and the primary villains name needs to be Gksjgskgjsf Ysjlpqdqcqs from Planet Pksgkngekn in the Qpzxacks Galaxy.
If I ever see Myzylplk or whatever in film is the day I give up, but someone knows about the 5th Dimension and the weaponeers of Qward from the sounds of it.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:45 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Honestly, that was my only real gripe. Not that they killed a bunch of people. I mean...what would you expect if something like that went down? But after it all happened, Clark rolls into The Daily Planet right as some guy is trying to get Lois to go to some ballgame with him. A ball game?!? Was that the one structure that was NOT fricking destroyed in town? 9-11 took down a few buildings and killed 3,000 people and the entire country was damn near at a standstill for weeks.. This shite took out blocks and blocks, killed hundred of thousands if not millions, ushered in an age of godlike beings fricking shite up...and someone is still interested in going to a ball game in town? hahaha
I seriously doubt millions died. It started out in an isolated area and then went in a circle outwards. I'm sure plenty of people had the chance to bail. I'm sure a few thousand people bit dust and a few thousand more were injured, but it's not like he nuked the city.
I'm also assuming that Clark was hired at least a few weeks, if not months later. After disasters (either man-made or natural), people want to get back to normal and enjoy some distractions. New York after 9/11, New Orleans after Katrina, Boston earlier this year, and so on.
As for the body count, Superman was only responsible for one person's direct death and you saw his reaction to doing that.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 9:56 pm to DURANTULA
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I seriously doubt millions died. It started out in an isolated area and then went in a circle outwards. I'm sure plenty of people had the chance to bail. I'm sure a few thousand people bit dust and a few thousand more were injured, but it's not like he nuked the city.
They will likely play it like that in the sequel, but can you imagine the logistics of moving THAT many people out of a crowed urban environment within minutes? It takes 30+ minutes to funnel 90,000 people out of Tiger Stadium on a Saturday night...and no one is reining spaceships down on our heads causing chaos! haha
I'm not complaining...I think that's exactly what WOULD happen if what they portrayed would take place. I actually appreciated the fact that, unlike the 1980 Superman II when he and Zod were going at it downtown, they broke things and people died. After it was all done, Metropolis looked like a wasteland for blocks...
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As for the body count, Superman was only responsible for one person's direct death and you saw his reaction to doing that.
Right. I had to catch myself from saying out loud, "Holy shite!" when that happened, because it was such a great and unexpected scene.
I'd bet that reviews are going to break down this way. Older movies goers are going to dislike it for all the reasons they nostalgically still like the Reeve's movies. I think younger viewers are going to be more drawn to it, because while they are likely familiar with the Reeve's movies, they are not cannon to them. They have Smallville, and Lois & Clark, the Superman cartoon as well as both Justice League cartoons and now tons of DC cartoons. They have seen Superman played with some darkness, and not so much camp. Although I now fall in the older category, I'm also a fan of many of the cartoon adaptations, so I've wanted to see a Supes like this.
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Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:40 pm to Sentrius
Just got back from seeing it. It was good, but not what it could've been. It was obviously tried to be as opposite from Superman Returns as it could be. The pacing felt wierd and I wish there wouldve been a better build-up to Clark becoming Superman. It was as if it took all of 5 minutes for him to find the suit and learn how to fly. It would've been great to see more of that. Not sure how I feel about Lois knowing about Clark from the start. The destruction of Metropolis seemed a bit much. Zod and Faora were great villains IMO. Shannon was an excellent choice.
Yeah, I have to admit that I couldn't help but watch it through the prism of Superman:The Movie. That movie seems more Nolan-esque by comparison. For that reason, I'm probably going to rank MoS lower than it should, but it still could've been a better movie.
Zimmer's score was great, but the Williams' score remains supreme and I know it isn't popular on here, but it would've been a good addition to the movie.
Anyone else notice the LexCorp gas tankers during the final fight?
Yeah, I have to admit that I couldn't help but watch it through the prism of Superman:The Movie. That movie seems more Nolan-esque by comparison. For that reason, I'm probably going to rank MoS lower than it should, but it still could've been a better movie.
Zimmer's score was great, but the Williams' score remains supreme and I know it isn't popular on here, but it would've been a good addition to the movie.
Anyone else notice the LexCorp gas tankers during the final fight?
This post was edited on 6/15/13 at 12:01 am
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:56 pm to FairhopeTider
GTTM - The difference is that no one's life is at stack coming out of Tiger Stadium. I bet if you said a bomb was going to go off in 5 minutes, that bitch would clear out quickly.
Fairhope- I'm pretty sure every one noticed that. They showed a LexCorp logo three times in the movie. When Clark comes home after discovering the Outpost ship, there is a LexCorp rig in the background. The LexCorp building makes an appearance in the climax. You mentioned the third.
I stand behind my 9.5 and I still say the story was airtight, but the two things that keep it from being a 10 from me could have just be stuff that was left on the editing room floor.
How did no one notice that Lara was pregnant? I mean obviously she could have been a stay at home wife so no one would interact with her much and Krypton doesn't seem like its the kind of place where the wives get together for tea every Tuesday or hell maybe their pregnancies don't last as long as ours so she didn't have to conceal it for long. I'm guessing that she just concealed it well and kept away from much contact, but it would have been nice for some little line drop to address this.
My second was how did Zod know where to send Faora to pick up Kal? They saw the military there and for all they knew, the military could have been baiting them. I'm sure that the military had some loose form of contact with Zod or a member of his crew, but again, a quick little scene or a bit of dialogue would have taken this question out of my mind.
Oh as for the small editing error I mentioned I saw last night. During the Battle of Smallville, you can see in the background of all the action that there is a black van/truck driving around with what looks like a big hotdog on it. I'm assuming that this was a random vehicle offset because the action was taking place in the air. Surprised no one caught it. Hell maybe they did and were like meh, no one will give a shite. Hell I have no idea how I even caught it the first time to be quite honest.
Fairhope- I'm pretty sure every one noticed that. They showed a LexCorp logo three times in the movie. When Clark comes home after discovering the Outpost ship, there is a LexCorp rig in the background. The LexCorp building makes an appearance in the climax. You mentioned the third.
I stand behind my 9.5 and I still say the story was airtight, but the two things that keep it from being a 10 from me could have just be stuff that was left on the editing room floor.
How did no one notice that Lara was pregnant? I mean obviously she could have been a stay at home wife so no one would interact with her much and Krypton doesn't seem like its the kind of place where the wives get together for tea every Tuesday or hell maybe their pregnancies don't last as long as ours so she didn't have to conceal it for long. I'm guessing that she just concealed it well and kept away from much contact, but it would have been nice for some little line drop to address this.
My second was how did Zod know where to send Faora to pick up Kal? They saw the military there and for all they knew, the military could have been baiting them. I'm sure that the military had some loose form of contact with Zod or a member of his crew, but again, a quick little scene or a bit of dialogue would have taken this question out of my mind.
Oh as for the small editing error I mentioned I saw last night. During the Battle of Smallville, you can see in the background of all the action that there is a black van/truck driving around with what looks like a big hotdog on it. I'm assuming that this was a random vehicle offset because the action was taking place in the air. Surprised no one caught it. Hell maybe they did and were like meh, no one will give a shite. Hell I have no idea how I even caught it the first time to be quite honest.
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