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re: The official Interstellar thread (spoilers)
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:02 am to abellsujr
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:02 am to abellsujr
No.
They stated that the wormhole gave access to multiple star systems.
Endurance only went to the one most likely to be successful based on limited explorations.
There are the other eight Laz. missions to consider. Perhaps one of them yielded a positive result that was passed on during Endurance's mission planning for the one with 3 possibles.
They stated that the wormhole gave access to multiple star systems.
Endurance only went to the one most likely to be successful based on limited explorations.
There are the other eight Laz. missions to consider. Perhaps one of them yielded a positive result that was passed on during Endurance's mission planning for the one with 3 possibles.
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:06 am to Volvagia
Well, I would have to say that, I hope you are never in command of a space expedition as I believe you feel the need to ignore obvious signs of possibly inhabitable planets right through a perfectly placed wormhole. But good luck to you. 
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 3:08 am
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:07 am to Volvagia
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Hence the plothole segment.
If I was running a scouting program, I would be more curious to check out the systems that Endurance didn't go rather than the one that it did.
And even if they did, scouting remember? Not rescue mission.
There is no reason to expect that Brand is broadcasting anything to get their attention.
That's a contrived plothole, though, based on the presumption that the wormhole remains open. One would then have to perform a series of rationalizations, as you just did, to bring a sound resolution to that interpretation of the ending.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:09 am to Cs
While everything you said is true, I am suggesting it because it is an explanation that makes things fit.
It originates from the choice of director to include a side dialogue exchange between Murph and Brandt of him trying to reassure her of them not understanding why there has been no communication back from Endurance at all, and that there are many reasons why they might be cut off but okay.
And she answered with a resigned tone that suggests they have have had this discussion many times before.
Too much thought was put into that IMO for it to be idle.
At the very least, it shows that some people had doubts/concerns about the Endurance failing.
Which would only increase as the decades upon decades of silence would get stacked.
Arguing that humanity didn't give up hope on Endurance is like arguing that Amelia Earhart didn't die in a crash, she died of old age somewhere.
It originates from the choice of director to include a side dialogue exchange between Murph and Brandt of him trying to reassure her of them not understanding why there has been no communication back from Endurance at all, and that there are many reasons why they might be cut off but okay.
And she answered with a resigned tone that suggests they have have had this discussion many times before.
Too much thought was put into that IMO for it to be idle.
At the very least, it shows that some people had doubts/concerns about the Endurance failing.
Which would only increase as the decades upon decades of silence would get stacked.
Arguing that humanity didn't give up hope on Endurance is like arguing that Amelia Earhart didn't die in a crash, she died of old age somewhere.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:10 am to abellsujr
If I have funding for 5 missions and 8 unexplored targets, do I go to the one I already went to or try somewhere new?
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:10 am to Cs
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There is no reason to expect that Brand is broadcasting anything to get their attention.
How could Murph possibly know that Brand is on Edmunds planet "alive and all alone" and basically setting up a new colony then? Cooper doesnt tell her this and he would have no idea if she in fact was alive or if Edmunds was either.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:12 am to lsugradman
quote:There is no scientific explanation for this. It has to be something she knows by some unexplained manner, IMO.
How could Murph possibly know that Brand is on Edmunds planet "alive and all alone" and basically setting up a new colony then? Cooper doesnt tell her this and he would have no idea if she in fact was alive or if Edmunds was either.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:14 am to Volvagia
quote:Where would you go? They didn't explain the existence of other wormholes.
If I have funding for 5 missions and 8 unexplored targets, do I go to the one I already went to or try somewhere new?
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:17 am to Cs
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That's a contrived plothole, though, based on the presumption that the wormhole remains open.
No, it isn't.
Did you even read the post I was referring to?
It isn't contrived or based on the assumption that the wormhole is open at the end to state the contradiction that they stay they sent probes and missions to multiple star systems, in defiance to the in movie explanation of wormholes and the assertion that there was no point of Cooper trying to guide the ship...it is predetermined.
Ironically both lines were said by the same character.
All elements of the "plothole" happened before they landed on the first planet.
But yes.....I am the one not being objective letting conclusions be self fulfilling when you state that it is my interpretation of the ending that makes me feel its a plothole.
It is a tangent, but my main reason for thinking it is open is one spoken before: The craft is clearly short ranged in design.
The only thing I added was the fact that there is a scenerio that is supported and explained by everything in the movie, as opposed to the closed theory which leaves lots and lots of loose ends and gaping holes.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:23 am to lsugradman
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How could Murph possibly know that Brand is on Edmunds planet "alive and all alone" and basically setting up a new colony then? Cooper doesnt tell her this and he would have no idea if she in fact was alive or if Edmunds was either.
You think the only things ever said by Cooper were the bits shown in the movie?
You think no one asked what happened to the Endurance? You think there wasn't a debriefing session?
You think they just accepted his return and left it like that?
Now those will probably argue that the fact that knowing this and a ship wasn't sent immediately clearly means that the wormhole is closed.
I will instead assume that the woman wasn't senile when she told him to go to Brand, and knew it wasn't going to require literally 5 million years in cryosleep to pull off.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:27 am to abellsujr
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Where would you go? They didn't explain the existence of other wormholes.
But they did explain the existence of other star systems that they sent manned mission to.
There is a huge plothole in how did they get there, but as you put it, focus on the story not the science.
And the story is that they checked multiple star systems, and sent 12 mission to the planets that looked the most promising via probe.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:31 am to Volvagia
quote:I would just think the first mission would be the closest orbiting wormhole. I mean, they're orbiting around with it for crying out loud. But that's just me.
And the story is that they checked multiple star systems, and sent 12 mission to the planets that looked the most promising via probe.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:41 am to Volvagia
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No, it isn't.
Did you even read the post I was referring to?
You responded to this post -
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So, they wouldn't send a small ship through? I don't buy that. Small ships were taking off and landing throughout the entire ending. Why would they not send just one out through the wormhole? A scout.
Without any additional context, it appeared as if the "plothole" you were referring to was the fact that humanity wasn't sending any ships at all through the wormhole at the end of the film, which appeared contrived because that's only a plothole if one assumes that the wormhole is still open.
As for the actual "plothole", is it completely unrealistic to posit that the other systems were within an incredibly close proximity to the opening of the far end of the wormhole? The distance between Alpha Centauri A and B, for example, can at times be equivalent to the distance between Venus and Saturn. It's not entirely unlikely that there were multiple proximal star systems.
Was it even explicitly stated that there were multiple "star" systems, or just multiple systems in general? They could have possibly been referring to multiple planetary subsystems around Gargantua.
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 4:03 am
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:51 am to Cs
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You think the only things ever said by Cooper were the bits shown in the movie?
You think no one asked what happened to the Endurance? You think there wasn't a debriefing session?
You think they just accepted his return and left it like that?
No Im sure there was a debriefing session. But for all Cooper knows, Brand is on her planet making babies with the dude she went for...Edmunds. How does Murph know that she is all alone waiting for someone? There must have been transmissions from her back through the wormhole just like from the Lazarus missions.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:54 am to lsugradman
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But for all Cooper knows, Brand is on her planet making babies with the dude she went for...Edmunds.
They knew he was likely dead, as they were no longer receiving transmissions from his planet. Brand even admitted during her hokey love monologue that it was "unlikely" that Edmunds was still alive.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 4:09 am to Cs
For the first part, I was referring to my initial post tonight.
Apologies for not being clear.
As for the second, I dont think it is possible. I don't know though....
Part of the way solar systems form in the first place is by stars dominating their spheres of influence.
The example you gave with alpha centauri isn't a correlation to your theory.
Those two stars are both in the same solar system It's just one with two stars in the center.
The only difference is that the center of mass that the planets orbit is a point in space rather than within the star.
Apologies for not being clear.
As for the second, I dont think it is possible. I don't know though....
Part of the way solar systems form in the first place is by stars dominating their spheres of influence.
The example you gave with alpha centauri isn't a correlation to your theory.
Those two stars are both in the same solar system It's just one with two stars in the center.
The only difference is that the center of mass that the planets orbit is a point in space rather than within the star.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 4:19 am to Volvagia
After referencing the novelization, it doesn't appear that "star" systems were ever explicitly mentioned. They simply mentioned a "system", which could be a specific planetary system near Gargantua.
They also mention that the other planets are "within reach", and without any suggestion that there are multiple star systems, it could be reasonable to conclude that there are simply different planetary subsystems within proximity of the black hole.
They also mention that the other planets are "within reach", and without any suggestion that there are multiple star systems, it could be reasonable to conclude that there are simply different planetary subsystems within proximity of the black hole.
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 4:21 am
Posted on 11/24/14 at 5:16 am to Cs
It was the first segment I am drawing the multiple star system from. I might indeed be inserting an inaccurate "solar system" bias in that assumption in format.
If it was only one destination, you just say that it leads to a system that shows promise.
Saying that one shows promise implies there are others that aren't.
This is getting dangerously close to a semantics game which I hate.
If it was only one destination, you just say that it leads to a system that shows promise.
Saying that one shows promise implies there are others that aren't.
This is getting dangerously close to a semantics game which I hate.
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 5:18 am
Posted on 11/24/14 at 5:19 am to Cs
Well, I can admit when I was wrong. It appears the wormhole was indeed still open. From the official novelization of the film -
Also, it seems the various stations were in fact traveling to Edmunds' planet. As for why they were all still parked outside of the wormhole -
Also, it seems the various stations were in fact traveling to Edmunds' planet. As for why they were all still parked outside of the wormhole -
Posted on 11/24/14 at 5:23 am to Cs
Boom!
So the author of the film's official novelization has a different interpretation of the ending than Jonathan Nolan - who hasn't worked on the screenplay for Interstellar since Spielberg was attached to direct. In the novel's interpretation, the station's are heading to Edmund's planet.
So the author of the film's official novelization has a different interpretation of the ending than Jonathan Nolan - who hasn't worked on the screenplay for Interstellar since Spielberg was attached to direct. In the novel's interpretation, the station's are heading to Edmund's planet.
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 5:24 am
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