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re: The Office: is hating Jim and Pam a popular opinion?
Posted on 8/8/16 at 11:10 am to WG_Dawg
Posted on 8/8/16 at 11:10 am to WG_Dawg
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In real life, it would just seem there are a lot of odd things about how their relationship officially started.
Not really. I think lots of people have seen very similar things happen. I can think of 4 or 5 office romances I've witnessed that had similar dynamics. Certainly not one exactly like that, but in all of them one or both were married, engaged, or involved with someone else already. It's a very real reality in today's office environment.
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Posted on 8/8/16 at 11:21 am to DestrehanTiger
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They got in front of the whole office and started telling people what food they should stop eating and what perfume to stop wearing. I thought it was pretty ridiculous.
Meh. It isn't that bad.
..and it did lead to that funny opening where everyone vomited.
This post was edited on 8/8/16 at 11:22 am
Posted on 8/8/16 at 11:29 am to DestrehanTiger
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I noticed their "shite don't stink" attitude when Pam first got pregnant.
Jim kind of had that attitude all along. He clearly had some self-loathing for putting up with a job he felt was beneath him and working with people he didn't really like. He shrugged some of it when he went to Stamford and started dating Karen.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 11:30 am to Breesus
I'd have kept watching. Plop was good and the other young Dwight guy was really funny. It could have run a long time, with new faces and story lines..
Nellie is kind of irritating, but she had some good moments. The radio interview with Dwight is just awesome and the paper airplane contest back story was good. The Orlando stuff wasn't that bad. As a supporting character, she would have been ok (like Meredith level appearances)..
Nellie is kind of irritating, but she had some good moments. The radio interview with Dwight is just awesome and the paper airplane contest back story was good. The Orlando stuff wasn't that bad. As a supporting character, she would have been ok (like Meredith level appearances)..
Posted on 8/8/16 at 12:24 pm to Mr. Wayne
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His "selfishness" with Athlead was in attempting to pursue success in a dream career for himself that would set up their family for life, which it did.
They, as a couple, decided that it wasn't the right time. He, as an individual, decided to do it anyway.
I'll even give him a pass on the money invested because, while Pam wasn't totally on board, they seemed to at least have had a discussion about how much they could potentially invest. Though Jim, after being told Athlead was solid on the money front, invested the full amount.
Now, part of it is the way the show was written, but there were a lot more sacrifices on Pam's part in that situation than there were on Jim's.
The only time they actually show him sacrificing is when he missed CeeCee's recital. And that was a situation of his own making, which he also acted like a total arse about.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 12:39 pm to Wayne Campbell
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That's a pretty unfair criticism of the character. Jim and Pam weren't married when Pam went to art school, and they certainly didn't have two small children.
Jim was very selfish in every decision regarding Athlead. He joined in the company after he and Pam had already discussed it and he agreed not to. He invested all of their savings when it was certainly unclear if he needed to. And he was living the bachelor life in Philly while Pam was at home working a full time job and raising two children.
But yeah, Pam was the selfish bitch in that scenario.
Pam gets hate for a lot more than just Athlead.
She turned into a different person at work, and became pretty cynical about most things and people. And she also acted a lot more selfishly, including creating a job for herself to not have to do "real" work (a.k.a. be a salesman).
And that doesn't even take into account her little emotional affair with the mic guy.
I don't hate Pam, but I do think she was a pretty selfish person throughout the series, and only got worse as the show progressed.
However, I am in the camp that them getting married (which was a fantastic double-episode, btw) wasn't the downfall of the show. I just think that any show can get sort of stale after a while, and especially with comedy shows, eventually the characters become caricatures of themselves. That happened on The Office. But it was a solid show from start to finish (I enjoyed the lag in S8, even though it was noticeably down). And S9 was really solid. I always tell people, when they say they ducked out before S9, that they missed some solid television.
ETA: Oh, and put me firmly in the "Nellie fricking sucks" camp. She's easily the worst thing about the entire run of the show. She was literally awful in every scene. No entertainment value.
Also: Office underdog/underrated character: Gabe
This post was edited on 8/8/16 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 8/8/16 at 12:45 pm to CocomoLSU
quote:Amen.
Also: Office underdog/underrated character: Gabe
Posted on 8/8/16 at 12:51 pm to CocomoLSU
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her little emotional affair with the mic guy.
one of the most bizarre things ever.
Were the writers just running out of ideas or did they feel like they needed to wake up the audience a bit?
Posted on 8/8/16 at 1:34 pm to WG_Dawg
I think they were trying to wrap it up and the tv thing was a big part of that. For the longest time, I forgot they were filming a documentary and it felt like they were just talking to the audience. The mic guy was a way to put the focus back on that. Plus she was lonely and probably frustrated. She was looking for attention.
I don't get the Pam hate either. They were a young couple growing apart. They were just as likely to divorce as re-connect. Jim had a choice to make and he chose his family. He seemed really happy. Going forward, I doubt they'd survive the move or his new career. Its all about him wining and dining athletes and celebrities. Pam's not about that life. She is a suburban mom that works in a small office. She'll be miserable.
Remember the episode when the warehouse workers won the lottery? That showed they had totally different goals/dreams in life. I liked that they showed that realistically..
I don't get the Pam hate either. They were a young couple growing apart. They were just as likely to divorce as re-connect. Jim had a choice to make and he chose his family. He seemed really happy. Going forward, I doubt they'd survive the move or his new career. Its all about him wining and dining athletes and celebrities. Pam's not about that life. She is a suburban mom that works in a small office. She'll be miserable.
Remember the episode when the warehouse workers won the lottery? That showed they had totally different goals/dreams in life. I liked that they showed that realistically..
Posted on 8/8/16 at 1:42 pm to brmark70816
I don't get the Pam hate either. I thought she was the most real character on the show. We've all known a Pam where we've worked. Some of us have known someone a little like a Dwight, or Michael, or Creed, or Angela, but not many have worked with someone exactly like them.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 1:46 pm to The Spleen
I don't think there could ever be another Creed.
"You're paying to much for worms.. who is your worm guy?"
His random lines are just awesome.. plus his blog..
"You're paying to much for worms.. who is your worm guy?"
His random lines are just awesome.. plus his blog..
Posted on 8/8/16 at 2:12 pm to brmark70816
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divorce as re-connect. Jim had a choice to make and he chose his family. He seemed really happy. Going forward, I doubt they'd survive the move or his new career. Its all about him wining and dining athletes and celebrities. Pam's not about that life. She is a suburban mom that works in a small office. She'll be miserable.
I think you're missing her growth as a character, but to be fair, the show fast forwards a year between the penultimate episode and the finale. The finale was all about her realizing that Jim was being held back by staying in the office and that it was her turn to make the big gesture for him.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 2:20 pm to Wayne Campbell
I guess you can see it like that. I think its her attempt to make him happy. So she'll go along with it. But she will be miserable and I believe they will fail as a result. He wants a whole other life. She loves her life, but she loves him so she is willing to give it all up. She is very brave for that, especially when she knows her and the kids don't fit in that world. That's just my opinion though..
Posted on 8/8/16 at 3:27 pm to brmark70816
I will say Dwight and Angela's will they or won't they was absolutely hilarious in the later seasons with the contract
Posted on 8/9/16 at 6:46 am to GetCocky11
I ended up finishing the entire series last night. I still don't hate Pam or Jim. I think Pam's line of "I wasn't ready yet" regarding Philadelphia was perfectly acceptable.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 7:31 am to Wayne Campbell
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The Pam hate peaked when Jim wanted to follow his dream job and Pam was a bitch about it, even after Jim supported her when she followed her art school dream. At least that is when I started saying that she was being a selfish bitch.
That's a pretty unfair criticism of the character. Jim and Pam weren't married when Pam went to art school, and they certainly didn't have two small children.
Jim was very selfish in every decision regarding Athlead. He joined in the company after he and Pam had already discussed it and he agreed not to. He invested all of their savings when it was certainly unclear if he needed to. And he was living the bachelor life in Philly while Pam was at home working a full time job and raising two children.
But yeah, Pam was the selfish bitch in that scenario.
I have never watched this show but I am enjoying the discussion in this thread.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 8:36 am to GetCocky11
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I ended up finishing the entire series last night. I still don't hate Pam or Jim. I think Pam's line of "I wasn't ready yet" regarding Philadelphia was perfectly acceptable.
I'll admit the feeling is different on re-watch than when it was originally running. Having to wait a week or more between episodes created a different feeling than being able to watch it all straight through, knowing the outcome.
For instance, Nellie isn't nearly as bad watching it all at once than she was at the time. And the Jim/Pam stuff was a little more difficult. The show floundered a bit with the writers' strike and finding its identity post-Michael, but I felt the payoff was worth sticking with it.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 8:44 am to Wayne Campbell
I agree with that. I think the later seasons are much more enjoyable on a rewatch when there's a nostalgic factor. It still bothers me with what they did to Andy's character because I didn't think it was necessary, but most of the other issues I had with the later seasons don't seem to bother me as much anymore.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 8:44 am to Wayne Campbell
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The show floundered a bit with the writers' strike and finding its identity post-Michael, but I felt the payoff was worth sticking with it.
What season was the writer's strike? I am doing a rewatch right now and about half way through Season 4
Posted on 8/9/16 at 8:44 am to Wayne Campbell
The finale was really well done. AARM and the series finale felt like early Office. I think I heard they knew how they wanted to end the series pretty early in the shows run though. If true it would explain a lot.
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