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re: The Leftovers - Season 3 - early reviews are coming in / Season thread
Posted on 6/5/17 at 10:17 am to shel311
Posted on 6/5/17 at 10:17 am to shel311
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Writers left it up for us to guess, they don't even "know"
The whole show was about not knowing anything.
Better show about nothing: Seinfeld or The Leftovers?
Posted on 6/5/17 at 10:19 am to Sun God
quote:I watched most of the episode thinking it was her dying in the tube and this was her weird, purgatory scene like Kevin's. It didn't make much sense, but this is The Leftovers lol. Kevin even made a reference to the "hotel bar" and I was pretty sure she was dead.
What if Nora is dead
But in the end, we know she wasn't.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 10:45 am
Posted on 6/5/17 at 10:26 am to shel311
I thought it was when Kevin told Nora he had a scar on his chest from the pacemaker ( or could it be the KEY that was removed from behind his HEART! ) who knows.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 10:38 am to musick
quote:Lindelof admitted as much, even saying he doesn't know if Nora's story was true or not, so they didn't think out that part, they wanted it to have no answer, like you said.
Just like I was the one who mentioned Laurie was left ambiguous on purpose. I think they did the same with Nora
Posted on 6/5/17 at 10:40 am to Decatur
quote:He doesn't answer those intentionally because they're not supposed to be answered. The show is about how people cope with the unknown, why in the world would you want that to be answered? It undoes the entire premise of the show.
Start with an ambitious premise and set it up for a few seasons then end it with an emotional payoff and leaving out explanations for most of the mysteries invoked during the series.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 10:43 am to Jay Quest
quote:Wait, why would he have knowledge of the other reality?
You would have thought, while Nora was providing her dramatic "other side" accounting, that Kevin would have had some knowledge and awareness of the situation of his own to share. Instead he sat there as if previously unknown revelation were being imparted to him
Posted on 6/5/17 at 10:44 am to Marciano1
quote:That's not what the show was about, not sure if you watched the entire thing?
The whole show was about not knowing anything.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 10:56 am to shel311
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The show is about how people cope with the unknown, why in the world would you want that to be answered?
I'd like know why Kevin was apparently immortal and why that had nothing to do with the ending of the series. It's just sitting there with no relevance to the show's resolution.
The more I think about it this show introduced a hodgepodge of mysteries with no relevance to ending of the series. Why did they introduce these things to begin with? (Too many to cover with what patience I had left with this show).
The ending, while very emotionally satisfying, really took a hot steamer on what this show promised to be.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 11:00 am to Decatur
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We owed the answer to all those questions, but then there are going to be other areas [we don't answer.] One of the questions that keeps popping up is, “I was kind of hoping you would explain why Kevin has the ability to die and come back to life,” and I said, “Oh, I’m sorry you’re disappointed." Like, I don’t know what else to say in response to that. But I also go, “What does that explanation look like?” I mean, it’s almost like explaining why it is that Superman has powers. It’s like, “Oh, it’s because he’s from the planet Krypton and that’s why he has powers on earth, because of our yellow sun." What is an explanation for why can Kevin die and come back to life? Who gives that explanation and what does it look like? We weren’t touching that with a 10-foot pole — or a 20-foot ladder in our case.
LINK
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 11:05 am
Posted on 6/5/17 at 11:07 am to ipodking
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We weren’t touching that with a 10-foot pole — or a 20-foot ladder in our case.
Then don't introduce it to the plot if you have no idea how to resolve or otherwise explain it. Easy.
I'm sorry but this is LOST all over again.
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and I said, “Oh, I’m sorry you’re disappointed."
I'll keep this in mind the next time I decide whether to invest my time in a Lindelof series.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 12:09 pm to Decatur
Sad to see the show end.
I wish they would have made an episode from Nora's so called journey to the other side, if it even happened.
I wish they would have made an episode from Nora's so called journey to the other side, if it even happened.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 12:12 pm to Decatur
I've accepted that the writers and creators haven't given us any explanation on the departure. I know it was revealed a long time ago that they wouldn't, even if I missed it.
But I just think it's a little deflating to not know. For me, as a watcher. I think the show ended well enough. I'm not mad. I'm not upset. I'm glad with how it ended.
I think I missed the point of the show over three seasons. I wanted closure on the departure because that was far more interesting to me than Nora and Kevin's relationship.
Someone mentioned Kevin's ability to come back from drowning or suffocation and that is a great point. Even if the creators have no explanation for it I find it a cop out...what point does it play in the show then?
But I just think it's a little deflating to not know. For me, as a watcher. I think the show ended well enough. I'm not mad. I'm not upset. I'm glad with how it ended.
I think I missed the point of the show over three seasons. I wanted closure on the departure because that was far more interesting to me than Nora and Kevin's relationship.
Someone mentioned Kevin's ability to come back from drowning or suffocation and that is a great point. Even if the creators have no explanation for it I find it a cop out...what point does it play in the show then?
Posted on 6/5/17 at 12:15 pm to Decatur
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I'd like know why Kevin was apparently immortal and why that had nothing to do with the ending of the series. It's just sitting there with no relevance to the show's resolution.
Yeah, I brought this up earlier and I still can't figure out why something so supernatural is introduced when it is unnecessary to the plot. THe shows producer mentions super man and his powers, but they are necessary to the plot of a superman movie. He only has abilities that are necessary in order for him to overcome the obstacles set before him. What obstacles did Kevin have that he needed immortality on 4 different occasions? And then it just left him. (Now he has a heart condition and needs a pacemaker).
He was hinted at as being a messiah, but none of that was pursued other than speculation by his "followers". the writers did us a disservice by introducing that ability and character speculation with no followup equal to the abilities that Kevin was given.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 12:51 pm to Decatur
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I'd like know why Kevin was apparently immortal and why that had nothing to do with the ending of the series. It's just sitting there with no relevance to the show's resolution.
Pretty sure the "undiagnosed heart condition" that he corrected with a pacemaker was a nod to him seeming immortal and "dying" and coming back.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:02 pm to musick
For the entire episode last night I was thinking that Nora made it to the other side and that Kevin somehow existed on both sides and that was why he couldn't die in either side.
ETA. I realize that wasn't the case when he finally admitted that they shared a life together.
ETA. I realize that wasn't the case when he finally admitted that they shared a life together.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:28 pm to The Egg
Beautiful finale. Kevin and Nora dancing to Otis Redding was very moving. That scene is really staying with me. I would have chosen a different Otis song, but you can't go wrong with that voice.
The finale was nearly perfect, IMO. Gave some answers on the departure, if you are willing to accept them, but left a lot of things to mull over. Probably would have been a disaster to try to clarify everything.
I did not feel a need to understand why or how the departure occurred. It is a ridiculous premise and I don't think any physical explanation would have satisfied me anyway. I stopped thinking this was a plot driven show a while ago. It became something like a work of abstract art, to just observe with a relaxed open mind w/o a need for clean lines and clear details; it was almost a sensory experience. It was unique at the very least and I greatly appreciated that.
Carrie Coon and Justin Theroux, outstanding throughout the entire series, kept getting better and better, and I hope they get some award recognition.
The finale was nearly perfect, IMO. Gave some answers on the departure, if you are willing to accept them, but left a lot of things to mull over. Probably would have been a disaster to try to clarify everything.
I did not feel a need to understand why or how the departure occurred. It is a ridiculous premise and I don't think any physical explanation would have satisfied me anyway. I stopped thinking this was a plot driven show a while ago. It became something like a work of abstract art, to just observe with a relaxed open mind w/o a need for clean lines and clear details; it was almost a sensory experience. It was unique at the very least and I greatly appreciated that.
Carrie Coon and Justin Theroux, outstanding throughout the entire series, kept getting better and better, and I hope they get some award recognition.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:28 pm to Speedy G
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Carrie Coon and Justin Theroux, outstanding throughout the entire series, kept getting better and better, and I hope they get some award recognition.
Every year i watch most, if not all of the award contenting shows. These guys deserve to win this year
Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:57 pm to JBeam
quote:early on in the episode, the ladies accused her of lying, she said 'I don't lie.'
Also, why do you think Nora was lying?
Posted on 6/5/17 at 6:28 pm to shel311
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Wait, why would he have knowledge of the other reality?
I think this very point has passed over a lot of other viewers. Kevin never went where Nora went. Better yet, where she claims she went. The hints, dialog and interactions throughout the finale made it clear she made up her trip to the other side to cope and it "makes for a better story" than the truth of her not being able to go through with it at all. But Kevin supposedly went to some kind of afterlife where there were no departed individuals, only the dead
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early on in the episode, the ladies accused her of lying, she said 'I don't lie.'
This was one of the most unintentionally funny moments of the entire finale. If there's one thing that Nora was gifted at, it was lying.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 6/5/17 at 7:00 pm to sparkinator
Kevin was never immortal. Being immortal means you cannot die. Kevin could...and DID die several times. He was just able to choose to come back. And while several characters believed that Kevin was a new messiah, I don't think it was ever a given since Laurie, Nora, and even Kevin himself rejected the idea.
Last week's episode pretty well let us all know that Kevin wasn't a messiah. Nothing on a global scale happened on the big seven year anniversary, so there was never anything to "save" everyone from. Kevin, Sr., was left baffled and disappointed, just like members of the cult in the opening scene of this season.
The point of this whole last season is that the main characters had to save themselves. Kevin did this by rejecting the other side and looking for Nora to make amends, and Nora did this by rejecting the allure of clinging to her losses so she was ready when Kevin came back. I think the symbolic gesture of releasing the scapegoat helped as well.
On top of all of that....the doves finally came home...on Pentecost Sunday.
Last week's episode pretty well let us all know that Kevin wasn't a messiah. Nothing on a global scale happened on the big seven year anniversary, so there was never anything to "save" everyone from. Kevin, Sr., was left baffled and disappointed, just like members of the cult in the opening scene of this season.
The point of this whole last season is that the main characters had to save themselves. Kevin did this by rejecting the other side and looking for Nora to make amends, and Nora did this by rejecting the allure of clinging to her losses so she was ready when Kevin came back. I think the symbolic gesture of releasing the scapegoat helped as well.
On top of all of that....the doves finally came home...on Pentecost Sunday.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 7:01 pm
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