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re: The Leftovers - Season 3 - early reviews are coming in / Season thread
Posted on 6/5/17 at 7:24 am to dallastiger55
Posted on 6/5/17 at 7:24 am to dallastiger55
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Did anyone notice that when they danced at the wedding that whole song was about dreaming and they mentioned the word dream 20 times.
I certainly noticed this. Bad dreams, sweet dreams, dreams of love.
It stuck out to me.
There were also a good bit of subtle LOST references, The Constant, Looking glass, greatest hits, tabula rush, walkabout, the end.
Just like I was the one who mentioned Laurie was left ambiguous on purpose. I think they did the same with Nora. She let out a scream right before she was submerged with the liquid before the hard cut to the time jump.
They want people discussing it. The one line that infers it was a lie was the nun "Cause it's a better story" line.
It's also addressing the biggest "mystery" of the show, the departed, so they want it to be ambiguous and leave room for it being false.
Great finale, great show. I will follow Lindelof to his next endeavor.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 7:26 am
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Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:12 am to musick
I can't wait to watch it again
Everyone talks about the job Coon has done and I agree 100%, but what about Justin Theroux? That dude has been amazing.
The more I see him on interviews and shows the more I like him. Seems like a great guy. His wife ain't too bad either.....
Everyone talks about the job Coon has done and I agree 100%, but what about Justin Theroux? That dude has been amazing.
The more I see him on interviews and shows the more I like him. Seems like a great guy. His wife ain't too bad either.....
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:18 am to dallastiger55
While I enjoyed the finale and the show overall, I'm still kind of like "meh" on how it all played out.
It was just a lot of build up for very little.
It was just a lot of build up for very little.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 8:19 am
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:41 am to Marciano1
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While I enjoyed the finale and the show overall, I'm still kind of like "meh" on how it all played out. It was just a lot of build up for very little.
I'm with you. Enjoyed the show and the acting was great. Just not sure why Kevin being able to be resurrected was a part of the storyline. Don't get me wrong, the assassin episode was great, but such an important dynamic of invincibility didn't contribute much to the overall outcome of the storyline.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:49 am to sparkinator
Good analysis
I think it was impossible for them tie everything up in one episode
I think it was impossible for them tie everything up in one episode
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:56 am to dallastiger55
I think they tied up the most important pieces.
Also, why do you think Nora was lying?
Also, why do you think Nora was lying?
Posted on 6/5/17 at 9:03 am to musick
That was a riveting hour of television. Not in a suspenseful way, but it was remarkable. Visually beautiful. Coon was fantastic (she will win an Emmy).
The ending was very Bradburian.... sci-fi, ambiguous, philosophical, melancholy. I thought it was perfect.
It's almost like Kevin and Nora were singled out for special knowledge, a glimpse into the great beyond. Everything that happened to them was fated. This show could not end any other way.
The ending was very Bradburian.... sci-fi, ambiguous, philosophical, melancholy. I thought it was perfect.
It's almost like Kevin and Nora were singled out for special knowledge, a glimpse into the great beyond. Everything that happened to them was fated. This show could not end any other way.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 9:09 am to GetEmTigers08
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I am happy to see that Damon Lindelof did learn from some of his mistakes,
I don't think he has.
Start with an ambitious premise and set it up for a few seasons then end it with an emotional payoff and leaving out explanations for most of the mysteries invoked during the series.
I did very much enjoy the finale, especially the wedding scene with Nora and Kevin, but this is the Damon Lindelof we have, not the Damon Lindelof we want.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 9:18 am to Decatur
I agree. Especially when you spend two seasons hinting that Kevin is the messiah and can come back to life and has a book written about him
To not have a payoff for that is disappointing
Also his Dads mission and purpose and not seeing him again
To not have a payoff for that is disappointing
Also his Dads mission and purpose and not seeing him again
Posted on 6/5/17 at 9:25 am to dallastiger55
They pretty much answered all the questions involving Kevin & his father.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 9:33 am to JBeam
The below link is a good recap of the finale, which makes clear that Nora could most certainly have been lying at the end (she lies all the time), but it's entirely up to the viewer depending on which viewpoint you want to believe. At bottom, it doesn't matter if she was lying or not, as Kevin needed her back and she needed Kevin to believe her story, which he does to be with her.
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You can look at Nora’s concluding monologue in one of two ways. In the first, she is telling the truth, and the sound she made right before the LADR machine prepared to fire upon her was just an involuntary gasp as the chamber filled with liquid. She went through, and discovered that, from the point of view of the Departed — who were living in an identical but much less populated world — it was everyone else who vanished, and not them. She spent years getting from Melbourne to Mapleton, got so close to Doug and the kids that she could practically touch them, before realizing that they had moved on emotionally in a way she never could, and were better off never again seeing Nora Cursed. She then traveled for many more years until she could track down Dr. Van Eeghen and convince him to rebuild his machine on that side to send her home, and at that point began a self-imposed exile Down Under because she felt people in her original universe wouldn’t believe her, and/or also would do well to think she was dead.
In the other way, Nora is lying like she just had a motorcycle man in her bedroom. Her gasp was the start of a last-ditch protest. Dr. Eden turned off the machine (while Dr. Bekker presumably laughed smugly about her instincts being right again), Nora apologized profusely and begged her brother to tell everyone that she went through and was never coming back. And, drowning in shame over the cowardice that prevented her from risking death for the tiny chance of finding her family alive and well in the manner she will later describe to Kevin, she still chooses exile in Australia, just much earlier than she will claim.
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You can, like with organized religion itself, choose to believe or to be a skeptic about the tale Nora spins for Kevin — I started out believing her, then found myself interrogating the story — but it doesn’t really matter. In the end, you fill in the two most important blanks in this particular Matt Lib the same way: Nora declined a chance to reunite with her family (whether abstract and infinitesimal or right in front of her face), and she felt such self-loathing over that choice, and the mess she had made of things with Kevin, that she opted for a life sentence out in the middle of nowhere, caring for her birds, occasionally calling Laurie — who is very much not dead — for emotional support, and otherwise just trying to get through each day the same way she did for the seven years between when her family vanished and when she sat naked in the LADR chamber: grieving all she has lost, but unable or unwilling to fully articulate that loss to a world that can’t quite appreciate it. There are notable differences between the two, but the one that truly separates Nora’s version from the skeptic’s take is what the nun tells Nora when suggesting the missing birds really are going past their 50-mile ranges to deliver messages of love around the world: “It’s just a nicer story.”
When Kevin sits at Nora’s table and hears her talk about how afraid she was that he wouldn’t believe her, he replies, “Of course I believe you. You’re here.” Kevin has never really been a man of faith, not even when he appeared to be making repeat trips to the underworld, and even here he isn’t really expressing belief in a higher power, or some kind of intergalactic mitosis where the split wasn’t even. He has faith in Nora Durst, who is sitting across the table from him, giving him a look suggesting that, after all these years, she might be willing to take him back despite the horrible things they said to each other in that hotel in Melbourne. He needs her back, and she in turn needs him to believe her story, so he does.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 9:33 am
Posted on 6/5/17 at 9:45 am to The Egg
You would have thought, while Nora was providing her dramatic "other side" accounting, that Kevin would have had some knowledge and awareness of the situation of his own to share. Instead he sat there as if previously unknown revelation were being imparted to him
Posted on 6/5/17 at 9:47 am to Jwodie
Listened to a podcast and the host had a good point
If Nora convinced the Dr to build the machine then wouldn't that be a wordwide breakthrough like curing cancer?
You now have a portal to get back where everyone else went. That would be huge yet he does it just for this one person for this one instance?
If Nora convinced the Dr to build the machine then wouldn't that be a wordwide breakthrough like curing cancer?
You now have a portal to get back where everyone else went. That would be huge yet he does it just for this one person for this one instance?
Posted on 6/5/17 at 9:52 am to dallastiger55
Damn that's a good point.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 10:01 am to sparkinator
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Just not sure why Kevin being able to be resurrected was a part of the storyline.
This
Posted on 6/5/17 at 10:02 am to dallastiger55
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You now have a portal to get back where everyone else went. That would be huge yet he does it just for this one person for this one instance?
I agree, it's worth discussion. But, some of the same things apply in reverse. Assuming Nora's account is true, her family is reasonably happy and the uncertainty of going back (only Nora and the guy know it works) is too much to risk.
In either scenario, the world has become filled with crazy theories, societal breakdown, etc., so putting your faith in two people claiming to be able to send you through to another dimension is still going to be a huge leap.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 10:07 am to Jwodie
quote:Not posting the whole thing again but this is exactly my take from last night's episode.
Pertinent excerpts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 10:11 am to Pettifogger
Nora, being insecure and jealous of Kevin's supernatural abilities could lead Nora to feel her story must be fantastic in order to compete with Kevin's. She ridiculed everyone who compared Kevin to a messiah and felt her story must be just as incredible to convince Kevin that she is worthy of his commitment to her. Everyone had abandoned her throughout her life.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 10:11 am to dallastiger55
quote:His dad's mission and purpose? That ended with him sitting on the roof at the end of episode 7. He realized that his mission and purpose was nothing more than his coping mechanism. No flood = psychotic breakthrough.
Also his Dads mission and purpose and not seeing him again
Posted on 6/5/17 at 10:14 am to BamaChick
quote:Writers left it up for us to guess, they don't even "know"
My big question is - is Nora really telling the truth? Did she actually go to The Departed World? Or did she make it up, like the nun said "to tell a better story"? Did she just finally let go and let the mystery be?
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