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re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek in a battle for all the marbles...who wins?
Posted on 3/15/17 at 7:53 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Posted on 3/15/17 at 7:53 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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I thought The Federation was more advanced due to being inter-galactic
When has Star Trek been intergalactic? It's my understanding everything takes place in the Milky Way and is set up in quadrants. Farthest they ever got aside from being tossed to the edge of the universe or some shite by The Traveler early on in TNG was in Voyager when they get tossed out wherever the Borg are from.
Is that not correct?
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Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:01 am to vandelay industries
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:48 am to theGarnetWay
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Also, in theory any civilization that can automatically transport its troops anywhere on a planet at anytime should be unbeatable.
Good point.
I can't remember 100%, but has there ever been time travel in the SW universe? I remember time travel in Star Trek IV I believe, so that's another advantage. Suddenly I'm leaning toward Star Trek winning, lol...
I guess at the moment, I think SW would win if neither side was prepared in advance, but ST could pull it out if they had some time to plan a strategy.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:24 am to vandelay industries
The Enterprise crew has faced world-destroying powers before, and come out on top.
I wouldn't be so quick to place stock in Death Stars and Super Star Destroyers, considering a single Federation crew's record against planet-killers.
There really is no end to this debate, because it's all fantasy, and each property has all-powerful godlike entities to bring to bear. I would suggest breaking the battle down into more specific debates like:
The Next-Generation Enterprise vs. a Star Destroyer
Data vs. IG88
Khan, alone, in the Forest of Endor vs. the legion that fought the Ewoks in ROTJ
Three individual Borg vs. Chewbacca, hand-to-hand
Whatever you think is a good matchup...
I wouldn't be so quick to place stock in Death Stars and Super Star Destroyers, considering a single Federation crew's record against planet-killers.
There really is no end to this debate, because it's all fantasy, and each property has all-powerful godlike entities to bring to bear. I would suggest breaking the battle down into more specific debates like:
The Next-Generation Enterprise vs. a Star Destroyer
Data vs. IG88
Khan, alone, in the Forest of Endor vs. the legion that fought the Ewoks in ROTJ
Three individual Borg vs. Chewbacca, hand-to-hand
Whatever you think is a good matchup...
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 9:25 am
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:28 am to vandelay industries
There is technology in Star Trek not depicted in Star Wars that could be game changing - teleporters.
The ability to teleport anything onto the bridge of the enemy ship and blow it to hell (which is clearly the case as an SSD is taken out by a single A-Wing).
Shields in Star Trek block teleporters because they're designed to (to prevent what I just stated). Star Wars would not be configured as such, and each ship that encountered it would be obliterated. Especially if you throw in Romulan/Klingon ships, which can cloak and beam at the same time.
The ability to teleport anything onto the bridge of the enemy ship and blow it to hell (which is clearly the case as an SSD is taken out by a single A-Wing).
Shields in Star Trek block teleporters because they're designed to (to prevent what I just stated). Star Wars would not be configured as such, and each ship that encountered it would be obliterated. Especially if you throw in Romulan/Klingon ships, which can cloak and beam at the same time.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:34 am to SpqrTiger
First...Samuel L Bronkowitz is a legend 
Second...I know it's a pretty open-ended topic, and of course there's no "right" answer, but it always yielded some entertaining debate. There's some interesting characters who post here, so I just had to hear their 2 cents, lol...
Second...I know it's a pretty open-ended topic, and of course there's no "right" answer, but it always yielded some entertaining debate. There's some interesting characters who post here, so I just had to hear their 2 cents, lol...
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:35 am to skrayper
Teleport the Genesis Device onto the Death Star...
Game over.
Game over.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:43 am to vandelay industries
Well, early on it seemed like the consensus was gonna be SW in a landslide, but as the thread wore on, some solid points have been made in ST's favor. I guess one remaining question is: is it possible for "the Force/Dark Side" be used to disable the advantages mentioned in favor of ST? If so, then SW might gain the edge again...
I'm not sure the shields in ST would be enough...a blast from the Death Star or one of the bigger vessels might wear the shields down pretty quick...
I'm not sure the shields in ST would be enough...a blast from the Death Star or one of the bigger vessels might wear the shields down pretty quick...
Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:25 am to cattus
Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:30 am to vandelay industries
So, is the matchup between the ST "universe", which is mainly the Alpha Quadrant and what Voyager discovered in the Delta Quadrant vs. All known factions in SW?
I don't see how this would even be close.
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According to Wookiepedia The Galactic Empire's territory at its peak consisted of some one and a half million member and conquered worlds, as well as sixty-nine million colonies, protectorates and puppet states spread throughout the entire galaxy, stretching from the borders of the Deep Core to at least Wild Space.
I don't see how this would even be close.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:34 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Wars is in our past, by story telling, but in a universe that has had faster than light travel for over 10,000 years.
Meanwhile Trek takes place around 250-350 years in our future.
Both are limited to one galaxy.
Meanwhile Trek takes place around 250-350 years in our future.
Both are limited to one galaxy.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:39 am to TigerDeacon
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According to Wookiepedia The Galactic Empire's territory at its peak consisted of some one and a half million member and conquered worlds, as well as sixty-nine million colonies, protectorates and puppet states spread throughout the entire galaxy, stretching from the borders of the Deep Core to at least Wild Space.
This is what bothers me about fan fiction (meaning this was never stated in true cannon)
1,500,000 members, 69,000,000 colonies?
Too big to exist.
Though would explain the ability to generate a military budget in the Quadrillions annually.
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 11:28 am
Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:46 am to Napoleon
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500,000 members
That's ONE AND A HALF MILLION MEMBER worlds.
That's as easy to believe as a transporter whereby you retain all your memories from your "previous" state.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:52 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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I thought The Federation was more advanced due to being inter-galactic
The Federation isn't nearly that big. It's merely 8,000 light years in diameter. For reference, the Milky Way is 100,000 light years in diameter. The Enterprise goes way out of the Federation's direct reach.
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 10:54 am
Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:53 am to vandelay industries
The Empire is larger, more advanced, and has more firepower. Hyperspace is much faster than warp speed. Communication is much faster in the Empire.
Plus the Empire is ruled by fricking wizards.
Plus the Empire is ruled by fricking wizards.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:56 am to Master of Sinanju
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The Empire is larger
Looked pretty small in that last Force movie. One planet shoots another, and people on other planets can see the shot?
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:01 am to SpqrTiger
Well on a small scale level we know that the bartender on the Enterprise-D is more accurate with a phaser than an entire platoon of stormtroopers are with their laser guns.
I also believe that the superior technology overall would put Star Trek over the top evenually. Shields, transporters, cloaking, photon and quantum torpedoes, mobile hologram emitters, self-replicating mines, the tantalus device, the genesis device. Then we have The Traveler, The Guardian of Forever, Q, The Prophets.
Christ, Jar Jar Binks was elected to the senate, meaning the vast population of the entire Star Wars population could probably be taken over by Ardra...
I also believe that the superior technology overall would put Star Trek over the top evenually. Shields, transporters, cloaking, photon and quantum torpedoes, mobile hologram emitters, self-replicating mines, the tantalus device, the genesis device. Then we have The Traveler, The Guardian of Forever, Q, The Prophets.
Christ, Jar Jar Binks was elected to the senate, meaning the vast population of the entire Star Wars population could probably be taken over by Ardra...
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:19 am to vandelay industries
This reminds me of a debate I had discussing Darth Vader v Voldemort, each with all their assets at their disposal. Those silly wizards thought Avada Kedavra was their ace in the hole
Anyway, I say Wars over Trek. The Galactic Empire is a galaxy spanning war machine, the Federation is much smaller in scale and more focused on exploration and scientific discovery. However, it would be a good fight.
Anyway, I say Wars over Trek. The Galactic Empire is a galaxy spanning war machine, the Federation is much smaller in scale and more focused on exploration and scientific discovery. However, it would be a good fight.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:24 am to theGarnetWay
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Seriously though, did Star Destroyers shoot anything down on film? Star Fleet's phasers actually track their target. Lasers in Star Wars are shot just like a futuristic machine gun and are imprecise weapons.
And how did that work out in Vietnam?
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:27 am to TigerDeacon
yeah, technically you die when transported and what appears would be your clone.
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