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Spinoff:John Cazale/Fredo - GOAT movies GFI/II... Was Mike right killing Fredo?

Posted on 8/16/16 at 10:45 pm
Posted by drizztiger
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Posted on 8/16/16 at 10:45 pm
Was Michael right killing Fredo?

IMO:
1. No.
2. Fredo did "betray" Michael, but only because he's a fool. Don Vito and whole family knew his limitations.
3. Mike was willing to forgive his brother after the revolution in Cuba. This is when he kisses Fredo and let's him know Fredo was the "traitor". But Michael also calls out for Fredo during the chaos and says, come with me, you're still my brother.
4. Mike eventually let's Fredo back to just hang and proclaims don't let anything happen to him while momma is alive. This in ominous, but unnecessary.
5. Fredo posed zero threat to Michael as he was just the goof uncle with no "family" involvement.

I know GFIII gets into this and it haunts Michael, but that's 20 years later. But what you say M/TV?
This post was edited on 8/17/16 at 4:27 pm
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 8/16/16 at 10:51 pm to
Dude was a traitor and deserved to be shot.

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Posted by tiger114
Fairhope, AL
Member since Sep 2009
5223 posts
Posted on 8/16/16 at 10:58 pm to
He gave hit men the location of Michael (and his family) and let them shoot up their house with his kids inside.

Michael handled it better than I would have.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 8/16/16 at 10:58 pm to
quote:

3. Mike was willing to forgive his brother after the revolution in Cuba. This is when he kisses Fredo and let's him know Fredo was the "traitor". But Michael also calls out for Fredo during the chaos and says, come with me, you're still my brother.


Why should he have believed Michael? For all his polished manners and Ivy League suits, Michael was just another TPOS like the rest of his family.
Posted by PowerTool
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Posted on 8/16/16 at 11:02 pm to
Killing Fredo was to show how dark and lost Michael was in G2. In case anyone was still wondering about ol' Mike. And it was another excuse to lie to his sister, who's like the last person in the world who still thinks he's a good guy.
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 8/16/16 at 11:09 pm to
Michael was wrong to kill Fredo. That he killed him anyway, even after Fredo repented and was no longer a threat, showed how fallen Mike really was. This is the point of Godfather III, which was Michael looking for redemption that was always just out of reach. Once he went dark, it consumed him. He tried to get out, but it kept pulling him back in. His own demons, he means.

Killing Fredo was when Michael lost all hope of redemption. His brother. His mother's son. In getting revenge for Fredo setting him up, Michael himself becomes the enemy and destroyer of the family that he tried to save. At the end of II he is left contemplating what he has done - alone. At the end of III, he dies alone.

I think that Fredo's murder really was the key to Michael's complete destruction. He never could forgive anything.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 8/16/16 at 11:13 pm to
Personally if I were Mike, I would have sent him to Guam and killed him if he ever left there, but make that clear before I sent him there.
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 8/16/16 at 11:14 pm to
quote:

Personally if I were Mike, I would have sent him to Guam and killed him if he ever left there, but make that clear before I sent him there.



This actually might be the best answer.

He should of sent him away never to return.

Like someone posted earlier, they guy was not a threat at all at the end of 2. He should of just been banished.
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 8/16/16 at 11:45 pm to
Yes. Fredo would have always been a dangerous weakness to the family. Too stupid to do anything and too arrogant to be happy not doing anything.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 8/17/16 at 12:43 am to
Fredo was responsible for what happened in Michael's home. You heard what happened in his home?

IN HIS HOME! IN HIS BEDROOM WHERE HIS WIFE SLEEPS! Where his children come and play with their toys. In his home.
Posted by tiger114
Fairhope, AL
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 8/17/16 at 3:08 am to
quote:

Yes. Fredo would have always been a dangerous weakness to the family. Too stupid to do anything and too arrogant to be

This is my feeling. Fredo was a liability. Maybe no longer an immediate threat, but he would always be a liability and could try to harm Michael again one day. The combination of his ineptitude and his craving for more than he had would have gnawed at him once again at some point and he would have become a problem again.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 8/17/16 at 5:29 am to
Well, it is a gangster movie.

The act is murder (obviously) and kinslaying, neither of which can be condoned. So, from a purely moral standpoint, it was wrong.

But Fredo would have brought the whole house down on their heads. From a gangster standpoint, if anything, Michael didn't kill him soon enough.
Posted by Blue Velvet
Apple butter toast is nice
Member since Nov 2009
20112 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 6:05 am to
quote:

Fredo did "betray" Michael, but only because he's a fool.
lolwut? It wasn't a fricking accident. He betrayed him. Fredo had it coming.
Posted by NoNameTiger
Mandeville, LA
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 8/17/16 at 10:44 am to
quote:

should of





I will never understand why anyone with a functioning brain cell thinks this phrase makes any sense.
Posted by YumYum Sauce
Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
8313 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 10:50 am to
quote:

But Fredo would have brought the whole house down on their heads.


That's why it was justified. Fredo was weak and vulnerable, and outside parties would have continued to try to manipulate him against Michael.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108304 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 11:06 am to
quote:

Yes. Fredo would have always been a dangerous weakness to the family. Too stupid to do anything and too arrogant to be happy not doing anything.



But what did Fredo know in the aftermath? Aside from being made a hostage, I'm not sure what another family could use Fredo for after all that. I think exile in Guam or the Marshall Islands with the understanding if he ever leaves or talks with anyone save his sister that he's dead, and wiretap his phone and house behind his back to make sure he didn't.
This post was edited on 8/17/16 at 11:07 am
Posted by Baloo
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 8/17/16 at 11:38 am to
Fredo is the true tragic figure in the Godfather movies. He was a decent if weak-willed man who had no place in organized crime. He was happy being an uncle and taking the kids out on the lake to go fishing. Killing him was the unforgiveable sin that makes Mike completely irredeemable. Once he was frozen out of the family business, he was "dead" for business purposes. Killing him was the greatest evil committed in the movies, as Fredo was out of the business and posed no threat to anyone.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
36049 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 12:10 pm to
quote:

Fredo is the true tragic figure in the Godfather movies. He was a decent if weak-willed man who had no place in organized crime. He was happy being an uncle and taking the kids out on the lake to go fishing. Killing him was the unforgiveable sin that makes Mike completely irredeemable. Once he was frozen out of the family business, he was "dead" for business purposes. Killing him was the greatest evil committed in the movies, as Fredo was out of the business and posed no threat to anyone.


Fredo was still a threat. He had information on the history and workings of the family business and access to members of Michael's family.

Michael could've exiled Fredo, but Fredo had shown that he was easily manipulated and could've given information to the FBI or competing families.

It sucks, but Fredo had shown that he was a danger to Michael's kids and the family interests. Fredo had to go.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36112 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 12:47 pm to
The execution of Fredo is a great moment in the film but I think it was to drive home the point of Michael's evil (or at least utter amorality) had reached its zenith. His last remaining demonstrable moral code was jettisoned (or at least badly compromised) when loyalty to family came into conflict with his ability to remain in power.

JMO but I think this, and Kay aborting his son, were overbearing insertions by Coppola to make sure the audience could not sympathize with Michael as they did in the first film.
Posted by The Dude Abides
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2010
2227 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:40 pm to
Yes he was justified. A very good point was brought up. If he exiled Fredo who's to say that in 5 years he wouldn't flip to the FBI? Fredo was weak and had to go, it was a kindness how it was done, he waited until his mother was dead so she wouldn't have to bare the pain and it was quick and painless for Fredo.
This post was edited on 8/17/16 at 1:42 pm
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