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re: 'Sound of Freedom' scores 92% Rotten Tomatoes rating ahead of July 4 premiere

Posted on 7/5/23 at 7:56 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 7:56 am to
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You can’t help yourself can you?

Being correct? No.
Posted by bamadontcare
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:01 am to
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Being correct? No.


Being a jackass.

Do you have children?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:04 am to
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Do you have children?

No. Working on it.

Statistically it's very unlikely they'd be trafficked.

I'm not a (physical or emotional) abuser and I should provide a good-great SES and stable home environment. I won't reject him/her if they're LGBTQ, either. Also I'm white, which helps.

You do the things I listed above and the odds of your children becoming trafficked are probably in the 1 in 10M range. Statistically 0.
Posted by bamadontcare
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:06 am to
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I won't reject him/her if they're LGBTQ, either


Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:11 am to
Look at the data. That's a driving factor in minor sex trafficking.

LINK

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Homophobia and gender-based discrimination make LGBTQ+ people, especially youth, vulnerable to various forms of violence and exploitation, including human trafficking. Human trafficking is the act of compelling someone to engage in work or commercial sex, for little or no pay, through force, fraud, or coercion. It is a systemic injustice that disproportionately affects marginalized people, groups, and communities who face discrimination.

Prejudice, stigma, and homophobia often lead LGBTQ+ youth to experience housing instability or homelessness. This is especially true if their family, friends, and communities do not accept their gender identity or sexuality. Research shows that LGBTQ+ youth are 13 times more likely to experience homelessness than their straight peers and that they are overrepresented among homeless youth populations, accounting for up to 40% in North America. This is a staggeringly high statistic, given that only roughly 5% of the general youth population identify as LGBTQ+.

Discrimination by shelters, social service providers, law enforcement, and other community agencies and leaders exacerbates vulnerability for LGBTQ+ youth. All this, coupled with young age, can lead to opportunities for exploitation such as human trafficking. Researchers found that LGBTQ+ youth are significantly more likely to experience human trafficking than their straight counterparts.


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Although LGBTQ individuals only account for three to five percent of the population, they account for up to 40 percent of the runaway and homeless youth population. It is estimated that 26 percent of LGBTQ adolescents are rejected by their families and put out of their homes for no other reason than being open about who they are. Once on the streets, they face a significant chance of becoming victims of human trafficking. More people are enslaved today than at any point in human history, and LGBTQ youth are being trapped in sexual slavery at alarming levels. Once trafficked, these children face beatings, mutilations, brandings, rapes, and a host of other crimes that no child should ever live through.


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While human trafficking can affect anyone, the industry largely preys on those who make up the most vulnerable, alienated communities in society. Youth who identify as LGBTQ are a part of this extremely vulnerable and highly scrutinized community. These individuals experience high rates of marginalization, poverty, and hate crimes, all of which are precursors to sexual violence. That is, children who identify as LGBTQ are typically more likely to be victims of human trafficking, domestic, and sexual violence than their heterosexual peers.

A study by the Polaris Project reveals that homeless LGBTQ youth are 7.4x more likely to experience acts of sexual violence than heterosexual individuals. Accordingly, Loyola researchers found that roughly 56% of transgender youth are involved in the sex trade. As a whole, these studies confirm that the population of LGBTQ individuals is disproportionately affected by violence and discrimination.
Posted by rebelrouser
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:23 am to
Just like the Variety writer, you can't help taking a shot at conservatives when it is completely irrelevant to the subject at hand.
Posted by bamadontcare
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:23 am to
People are breeding babies to sell.

Like dogs. Or horses.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:24 am to
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you can't help taking a shot at conservatives

The frick are you talking about?

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when it is completely irrelevant to the subject at hand

Are you talking about the LGBTQ data I provided? How is a leading driver of minor sex work (and the paradigms that lead to that lifestyle) not relevant to a thread about minor sex work?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:25 am to
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People are breeding babies to sell.

Like dogs. Or horses.


Ah, Satanic Panic redux.
Posted by The Godfather
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:27 am to
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not relevant to a thread about minor sex work?



Well, its a thread about a movie about minor sex work, but this place stopped being a movie board a long time ago, its just a extension of the political board now.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:31 am to
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Well, its a thread about a movie about minor sex work

I get it, but deep down it's about minor sex work.

But I still go back to my original post, which focused on these fantastical stories/mythos are the extreme minority (or somewhat skewed). The real population of sexually exploited minors is a lot more "boring" and involves discussions that the dominant population on this board would prefer not to have (perfect example above).

Focusing on the fantastical and politically-charged mythos does little to combat the problem on any scale.
Posted by SquatchDawg
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:36 am to
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Prejudice, stigma, and homophobia often lead LGBTQ+ youth to experience housing instability or homelessness. This is especially true if their family, friends, and communities do not accept their gender identity or sexuality


Correlation does not equal causation.

The writer wants to imply that the unfair treatment of LGBT youth is the reason they’re targeted for trafficking. Is it not also equally possible that these youths have a mental illness regarding their sexuality that leaves them open and vulnerable? It’s been correctly stated that many of these kids enter this life voluntarily.

Drug addicts and schizophrenics also end up on the streets and in similar positions. Do we promote, celebrate and defend their addictions and mental illness or do we look to treat these afflictions?
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 8:37 am
Posted by lsunurse
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:36 am to
An article about Ballard

LINK


I have a friend (that has kids since for some reason that seems to be relevant to wanting to stop human trafficking) that has worked with legit anti trafficking NGOs and this is what she has said about OUR:

Be very weary of OUR and any kidnapping/stranger stories out there. I spent a lot of time in my early 20s working in the world of NGOs and with the Attorney General. OUR is basically the laughing stock (but in a very scary and sad way) of the anti trafficking NGO community.

They unfortunately more often than not do more harm than good.
Basically a bunch of misguided, uneducated bros playing GI Joe, but with real peoples lives at stake.

Real trafficking happens much closer to home and with people much more familiar to children (think sports coaches, clergy, youth leaders, family friends, etc) and this BS movie is making it seem like literally kidnapping and moving across the borders is prevalent, when it’s very rare, is taking focus from the real issue and allowing more children to get hurt.
Posted by tide06
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:41 am to
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For the record, I was speaking about America.

Globally, you're much more likely to be forced into manual labor than sex slavery (child or adult).

*ETA: I know only the basics about this story, but the data show that kids who are kidnapped in a way similar to this movie are typically used for labor or as child soldiers and not sex slaves.



There are 85k unaccompanied minors entering the US every year. No one knows what is happening to them after they cross the border because no resources exist to do so. Strong evidence supports rape, prostitution and exploitation are common based on reports from illegals, but fear of the cartels makes the reporting on this group poor. Mexico is one of the largest producers of child porn now because the cartels have realized the revenue possibilities and have access to the migrants who flow from central and south america to the US yearly.

In addition to the illegal trafficking issue, according to the FBI 365k US children went missing in 2020. 90% of those reported as missing are found within one year, but of those returned 18% were victims of sexual abuse during their time away from their families.

The US is the #1 market for child porn globally and constitutes a multi billion dollar market domestically that some groups are now estimating exceeds revenue for the drug trade. In 2021 there were 29.3M reports of child sexual abuse in the US alone.

This isn't just a run away issue or a teens on heroin getting into prostitution situation and framing it as a right wing conspiracy dooms millions of children to horrible trauma and suffering because those on the left then dismiss it out of hand.


Reuters - Fact Check on US Missing and Exploited Children

CBS News - 29M abused children

Missing Kids - By the Numbers
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 8:43 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:46 am to
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Real trafficking happens much closer to home and with people much more familiar to children (think sports coaches, clergy, youth leaders, family friends, etc)

Yes, just like most violations of children. It starts with family and then friends. You don't get much further than that typically. Sometimes institutions (school, church, etc.).

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and this BS movie is making it seem like literally kidnapping and moving across the borders is prevalent, when it’s very rare, is taking focus from the real issue and allowing more children to get hurt.

Exactly.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:49 am to
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The writer wants to imply that the unfair treatment of LGBT youth is the reason they’re targeted for trafficking. I

You have this wrong.

They become sex workers because they become homeless.

Almost all minors who are homeless on their own do so because of unstable home life. LGBTQ children are more likely to face unstable home lives.

They're not targeted because they're LGBTQ. They become available to sex work because they're homeless (because they're LGBTQ).

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Drug addicts and schizophrenics also end up on the streets and in similar positions.

Schizophrenia doesn't require trauma, but trauma can induce it.

Drug addiction is a symptom of unstable homes and abuse at home.

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It’s been correctly stated that many of these kids enter this life voluntarily.

The vast majority of sex-trafficked (by the current definition) of minors in sex work do so voluntarily.

Again, they become runaways (due to unstable/abusive home lives) , who become homeless, and don't have legitimate avenues to make money. Prostitution has always been a way for homeless kids to make money (going back to literal antiquity).
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 8:50 am
Posted by lsunurse
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:53 am to
The article also states Ballard has been accused of misuse of donor funds as well. OAR has taken in quite a lot of donations.

His foreign “raids” have also done more harm than good. They have actually created a market for young children to be sold in some of those cities instead of saving them. From the article:

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Ballard and Operation Underground Railroad have received millions of dollars and has not produced demonstrable results outside of creating an artificial demand for “little kids” in poor third world countries which has little to tourism to begin with. Ballard and O.U.R. has not utilized an independent board or auditing of the organization’s funds. So, imagine a team of white men running around the barrios asking everyone in dirt poor corrupt community for child pornography and little girls to molest. All this in a country ran by one of the most corrupt governments- Haiti.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 8:54 am
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:53 am to
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They become sex workers because they become homeless.

Almost all minors who are homeless on their own do so because of unstable home life. LGBTQ children are more likely to face unstable home lives.

They're not targeted because they're LGBTQ. They become available to sex work because they're homeless (because they're LGBTQ).


And very few cities have appropriate services for homeless minors on top of all that, so they legitimately often have nowhere to go.

I’ve worked with our local homeless coalition on and off for several years (especially with laws like McKinney-Vento in effect) and unaccompanied minors are the largest underserved population in most areas. Occasionally you’ll have places for them if they become wards of the state, but a lot of those facilities have long, long waitlists.

And yes, it’s not uncommon for them to be become victims of trafficking and sexual violence in general as a result.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:54 am to
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In addition to the illegal trafficking issue, according to the FBI 365k US children went missing in 2020. 90% of those reported as missing are found within one year, but of those returned 18% were victims of sexual abuse during their time away from their families.

There are a lot of words that need defining in this quote.

"Children" can include teens and "sexual abuse" can include prostitution. NOBODY is disputing that runaways engage in prostitution at ridiculously high levels and compromise the vast majority of prostitutes on US streets. But when you say "17-year old prostitute" it isn't as scary or inflammatory as "child sex worker" or "sexually trafficked child" or "sexually abused child" (which all technically could apply).

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This isn't just a run away issue or a teens on heroin getting into prostitution situation and framing it as a right wing conspiracy

The right wing conspiracy is the mythos surrounding the issue.

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dooms millions of children to horrible trauma and suffering because those on the left then dismiss it out of hand.

You are arguing "the left" doesn't want to implement programs to stop the underlying cause of this? I mean shite look at the reaction to the LGBTQ data I just posted. I don't think that poster would consider himself a "leftist".
Posted by bamadontcare
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:57 am to
People that refuse to watch the movie sure have strong feelings
about it.

They seem to be subject matter experts about a film they refuse
to watch.

Interesting.
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