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Some of my problems with Interstellar - somebody help me out - SPOILERS
Posted on 4/19/15 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 4/19/15 at 8:01 pm
- We should have seen more of the distant worlds, Waterwold and Iceworld. What's the point of having a star-hopping movie without the expected visual payoffs? Even Avatar understood that.
- Strange to me that a world with 130% Earth's gravity could produce mountain-high waves from three foot deep seas? Is that likely?
- In our age of sleekly rounded Apple iPhones and Samsung Galaxy 6's the square edged robot helpers looked like something nobody would want to have around. Might cut yourself on the corners. And their interface screens were pathetically 1990's. When was all this Dust Bowl supposed to have occurred, anyway?
- No news TV or anything like that? Why not?
- What was the point of chasing the Indian drone at the start of the movie? And the misbehaving crop machines? Guess I wasn't engrossed enough to get it.
- Why didn't Dad just type out "Hey, it's me, your Dad" in Morse code from behind the bookcase and save the poor girl 20+ years of frustration and anger?
Aw, fug it.
- Strange to me that a world with 130% Earth's gravity could produce mountain-high waves from three foot deep seas? Is that likely?
- In our age of sleekly rounded Apple iPhones and Samsung Galaxy 6's the square edged robot helpers looked like something nobody would want to have around. Might cut yourself on the corners. And their interface screens were pathetically 1990's. When was all this Dust Bowl supposed to have occurred, anyway?
- No news TV or anything like that? Why not?
- What was the point of chasing the Indian drone at the start of the movie? And the misbehaving crop machines? Guess I wasn't engrossed enough to get it.
- Why didn't Dad just type out "Hey, it's me, your Dad" in Morse code from behind the bookcase and save the poor girl 20+ years of frustration and anger?
Aw, fug it.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 8:03 pm to Rex
You could have saved all that time typing out "spoilers" because after reading that drivel I still have no idea what happens in the movie
Posted on 4/19/15 at 8:06 pm to Rex
quote:I actually agree with this one, but that's just not Nolan's style. He cares more about story than visuals.
We should have seen more of the distant worlds, Waterwold and Iceworld. What's the point of having a star-hopping movie without the expected visual payoffs? Even Avatar understood that.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 8:06 pm to Rex
Gotdammit Rex... see the other long arse thread on this subject. But yeah for once... you're right on all counts!
Posted on 4/19/15 at 8:09 pm to BoostAddict
I saw an older thread, but it really didn't get into many specifics.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 8:16 pm to Rex
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In our age of sleekly rounded Apple iPhones and Samsung Galaxy 6's the square edged robot helpers looked like something nobody would want to have around. Might cut yourself on the corners.
Tailor made for Louis CK my robot helper isn't sleek enough
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No news TV or anything like that? Why not?
Cant say I ever thought during the movie "why aren't they watching TV".
Posted on 4/19/15 at 8:19 pm to Rex
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- Strange to me that a world with 130% Earth's gravity could produce mountain-high waves from three foot deep seas? Is that likely?
Trying to keep this as least confusing as possible but yes; gargantua (which has a lot more gravity than anything in our solar system) was acting like our moon and is controlling the tides. When they landed on Millers planet they landed in a low tide area and it may seem that the wave is moving towards them when in fact they are moving toward a semi-stationary wave (The wave is moving with the planet). As the planet is rotating on its axis, gargantua is pulling up this massive "high tide" in the planet and the planet is rotating them towards the massive "high tide".
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 4/19/15 at 8:22 pm to Rebel Land Shark
Good explanation. I buy that one.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 8:26 pm to Rex
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We should have seen more of the distant worlds, Waterwold and Iceworld. What's the point of having a star-hopping movie without the expected visual payoffs?
Those worlds were barren and hostile, so there wasn't much of a reason for the crew to spend an inordinate amount of time on each. I would also contend that both Miller's and Mann's planets were quite visually compelling.
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Strange to me that a world with 130% Earth's gravity could produce mountain-high waves from three foot deep seas? Is that likely?
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In our age of sleekly rounded Apple iPhones and Samsung Galaxy 6's the square edged robot helpers looked like something nobody would want to have around. Might cut yourself on the corners. And their interface screens were pathetically 1990's. When was all this Dust Bowl supposed to have occurred, anyway?
They simply look like standard LCD screens to me. I imagine the screens had to be modified and integrated in such a way as to be compatible with their dynamically amorphous design. Also, note the design of a few other items, like the cars - the film is taking place in the ~2050s, not the 2200s.
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No news TV or anything like that? Why not?
Did we ever receive any explicit indication that standard news broadcasting wasn't taking place?
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What was the point of chasing the Indian drone at the start of the movie? And the misbehaving crop machines? Guess I wasn't engrossed enough to get it.
Resultant gravitational anomalies due to the emergence of the wormhole.
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Why didn't Dad just type out "Hey, it's me, your Dad" in Morse code from behind the bookcase and save the poor girl 20+ years of frustration and anger?
How would that have solved anything?
Posted on 4/19/15 at 8:36 pm to Cs
Actually, I like most of your explanations, except the one about news broadcasts and your last one about the message from behind the bookcase...
For one thing, he was there in the bedroom earlier when she said the ghost was saying STAY!, so why would he repeat that exact message when he knew it didn't work?
About the TV broadcasts, no... I don't think it was ever mentioned that TV was no longer working... but it's such a ubiquitous part of our world it's certainly curious that it was not seen, and ominous broadcasts surely could have added much to the mood.
Now, about that wormhole gift from a future generation of humans.... strange to me that they could do that but not solve a corn blight problem?
For one thing, he was there in the bedroom earlier when she said the ghost was saying STAY!, so why would he repeat that exact message when he knew it didn't work?
About the TV broadcasts, no... I don't think it was ever mentioned that TV was no longer working... but it's such a ubiquitous part of our world it's certainly curious that it was not seen, and ominous broadcasts surely could have added much to the mood.
Now, about that wormhole gift from a future generation of humans.... strange to me that they could do that but not solve a corn blight problem?
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 4/19/15 at 8:51 pm to Cs
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They simply look like standard LCD screens to me. I imagine the screens had to be modified and integrated in such a way as to be compatible with their dynamically amorphous design. Also, note the design of a few other items, like the cars - the film is taking place in the ~2050s, not the 2200s.
Not only was it the 2050s, it was a struggling 2050s. So of course you have a world full of contradictions with scientific know how and future tech, where in some regards we're going forward (at a slower rate) yet going backwards due to resources.
A not so subtle reference was the science class instruction at the local school stating the moon landing was faked, since it seemed like an impossible task with the way things were going in 2050.
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For one thing, he was there in the bedroom earlier when she said the ghost was saying STAY!, so why would he repeat that exact message when he knew it didn't work?
I imagine this explanation may or may not work for you. The whole movie is happening at "one" time. We see it chronologically as a 3 hour movie, but he is in the bookcase and in the room with his daughter at the same "time"
What has happened in the "future" has already happened so he can't really affect it, since whatever he experienced is what leads him to write "STAY."
And what you mean "it didn't work?" It obviously worked. The space station that saved humanity was created, so why would he change any thing in his message?
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 4/19/15 at 8:54 pm to Rex
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For one thing, he was there in the bedroom earlier when she said the ghost was saying STAY!, so why would he repeat that exact message when he knew it didn't work?
He couldn't. Those were his actions at those points in the temporal dimension. He couldn't change or alter any point of his trajectory in that dimension. Everything just "is".
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Now, about that wormhole gift from a future generation of humans.... strange to me that they could do that but not solve a corn blight problem?
This directly contrasts with one of the primary themes of the film - "Mankind was born on Earth, it was never meant to die here." That is, humanity's innate exploratory desire, and how our viability as a species is dependent on our ability to venture into the unknown and challenge the impossible.
Also, would you know how to convey specific information to an ant? It was explicitly mentioned in the film that even though the 5D beings had access to all points in space and time, they can't "find a specific moment in time. They can't communicate." They couldn't even find a way to convey those data, which was the entire point of selecting Cooper and constructing a tesseract within Garganutua - they relied on a more primitive being to communicate their message in a way that they simply could not.
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 4/19/15 at 9:08 pm to Cs
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This directly contrasts with one of the primary themes of the film - "Mankind was born on Earth, it was never meant to die here." That is, humanity's innate exploratory desire, and how our viability as a species is dependent on our ability to venture into the unknown and challenge the impossible.
Also, would you know how to convey specific information to an ant? It was explicitly mentioned in the film that even though the 5D beings had access to all points in space and time, they can't "find a specific moment in time. They can't communicate." They couldn't even find a way to convey those data, which was the entire point of selecting Cooper and constructing a tesseract within Garganutua - they relied on a more primitive being to communicate their message in a way that they could not.
Meh... I like that first paragraph more than the second, which seems like a silly contrivance to patch up a plot hole.
The first paragraph allows for a more elegant answer: the advanced race DIDN'T WANT TO CURE the corn blight. They wanted humanity to leave Earth as part of their evolution.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 9:10 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
I took it that when he first entered the tesseract he was emotionally overcome and wasn't thinking rationally so the first thing he did was try to stop himself from leaving. It just happened that the first point in time he looked at thru the bookcase was that particular moment and he reacted instinctively. It was only after he had time to think that he realized what he really needed to do.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 9:52 pm to Rex
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What's the point of having a star-hopping movie without the expected visual payoffs? Even Avatar understood that.
What do you want? Aliens and humans shooting at each other? Interstellar made the right decision by leaving aliens out of this movie and instead making the planets sterile and tranquil (which is probably what 99% of them are anyway). The film had a ridiculous number of visual payoff.
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- Strange to me that a world with 130% Earth's gravity could produce mountain-high waves from three foot deep seas? Is that likely?
The additional 30% gravity that the planet added was null and void compared to the literally billion plus percentage increase that the black hole adds compared to say our moon. It's like saying if an ant was 30% stronger/larger if it would be able to kill an elephant. It's a moot point.
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- In our age of sleekly rounded Apple iPhones and Samsung Galaxy 6's the square edged robot helpers looked like something nobody would want to have around. Might cut yourself on the corners. And their interface screens were pathetically 1990's. When was all this Dust Bowl supposed to have occurred, anyway?
If you paid attention, you would have realized that Jon Lithgow's character was a member of Generation Y. Interstellar took place after basic societal collapse and they were in mere survival mode. Apple and Samsung in all likelihood had collapsed, and if you'll notice in the film, there is only one type of car. They were the caretaking generation, and they only made what was necessary. In an age of post-internet as we know it, iPhones aren't going to survive. Just give them a computer that can give them the weather, email, and crop yield estimation, and that's all they need.
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- No news TV or anything like that? Why not?
Did you not pay attention at all? Like really? Society collapsed. The New York Yankees are now a shitty version of the Globetrotters.
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- What was the point of chasing the Indian drone at the start of the movie? And the misbehaving crop machines? Guess I wasn't engrossed enough to get it.
I'll give you that the Indian drone in an earlier version of the script had a larger role in the initial draft. And the crop machines were foreshadowing of gravity abnormalities caused by the wormhole.
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- Why didn't Dad just type out "Hey, it's me, your Dad" in Morse code from behind the bookcase and save the poor girl 20+ years of frustration and anger?
How would that help? It took her over 20 years to solve the message anyway, at which point she still figured it out.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 9:59 pm to abellsujr
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I actually agree with this one, but that's just not Nolan's style. He cares more about story than visuals.
Then he shouldn't have shat all over the original script with cliches and pointless scenes.
Seriously, outside of Matt M and Michael Caine, I couldn't have cared less about any character in this movie. I only cared about Michael Caine's character because Michael Caine is one of my favorite actors in the business.
There were 2, maybe 3 good scenes in this whole movie and the rest was meh at best. Nothing groundbreaking. The only great visual was the docking scene, outside of that, nothing that hadn't been done before.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 10:01 pm to Ultron
But, it was a good story to him.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 10:02 pm to Rex
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- What was the point of chasing the Indian drone at the start of the movie? And the misbehaving crop machines? Guess I wasn't engrossed enough to get it.
Something that spoke to me about this scene was the message of adapting that was being pounded into us during the first hour of the film. Also, I think it set up nicely Cooper's ability as a very smart engineer, and his ability to "tinker" with stuff (for lack of a better phrase) and be extremely resourceful. Guy was extremely smart, which played into various situations throughout the film.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 10:16 pm to OMLandshark
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The film had a ridiculous number of visual payoff
You must have watched a different movie then I did.
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If you paid attention, you would have realized that Jon Lithgow's character was a member of Generation Y. Interstellar took place after basic societal collapse and they were in mere survival mode. Apple and Samsung in all likelihood had collapsed, and if you'll notice in the film, there is only one type of car. They were the caretaking generation, and they only made what was necessary. In an age of post-internet as we know it, iPhones aren't going to survive. Just give them a computer that can give them the weather, email, and crop yield estimation, and that's all they need.
You're all over the place here. They never said that Lithgow was a Gen Y guy nor did he given any indication that he was a part of that generation.
You say that society collapsed? And yet we are able to communicate across the globe. We still have power. We still have schools. You say Apple and Samsung are no more and thus phones are gone then turn around and say that computers still exist? Who is making them? Who is providing access to the internet?
Not to mention no real or logical explanation is given as to why our planet was in that situation to begin with. This was just not a good movie. It's like they took half a of a great sci-fi script, and shite a bunch of Hollywood cliches on it and expected people to believe it was great because it starred one of the top stars in Hollywood right now (Matt) and was lead by one of the biggest names (Nolan). This was a textbook mediocre movie.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 10:16 pm to Ultron
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There were 2, maybe 3 good scenes in this whole movie and the rest was meh at best.
Truthfully, I didn't like it much. Not big news, I know, because I'm very tough to please. But I got absolutely no sense of exhilaration at anything that happened. Although I can buy about half of what's been explained here, it was still quite meh.
No political controversy or panic on the planet, no frantic TV broadcasts... it just wasn't set up very well, and then it got really boring.
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