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re: Rumor: Ben Affleck to Direct THE BATMAN for 2018 Release
Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:56 pm to lsusportsman2
Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:56 pm to lsusportsman2
People keep saying he's a great director. He's only directed 3 features. I've seen 2 out of his 3 movies, and neither of them are exceptional. Gone Baby Gone would have to be some kind of special for me to consider him a great director.
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Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:01 pm to Freauxzen
quote:Disagree. I think art is about exploration and discovery/creation of new things. I certainly understand the desire to get a (presumably) guaranteed return on an investment, but if that's the overwhelming, prevailing attitude, what's the point? I like money just as much as the next guy, but if all you're creating are different iterations of the same material, it all just becomes ragged and used up.
The issue is that this is actually sort of the creative process. Much of art is imitation anyway, so reboots are just kind of an extension of that.
quote:I get that, but this is the point at which it's really starting to become ridiculous. I guess we'll see how many absurd combinations they can spit out at us.
So although you're sick of it, the interconnected Universe is probably a big buffer to constant reboots.
quote:As always, it would depend on the project, but eventually, they ARE going to pour $350 mil. into Spider-man 10: This Time It's Personal and lose big.
And would you be afraid to take the $350 million budget for AoU and put it behind something original? I mean, at least be able to understand their position. For big budget films, you kind of have to just aim for the easy payout. Movies aren't a place to play a game with.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:03 pm to leRev
In your opinion he's not a really good or great director, but I think the majority thinks he is. He may not make movies to your liking, but many do love his movies. You don't make an Oscar winning movie without someone thinking you're great. Critics love his movies, and his audience scores are not that bad either.
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Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:09 pm to blueboy
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Disagree. I think art is about exploration and discovery/creation of new things. I certainly understand the desire to get a (presumably) guaranteed return on an investment, but if that's the overwhelming, prevailing attitude, what's the point? I like money just as much as the next guy, but if all you're creating are different iterations of the same material, it all just becomes ragged and used up.
IMO, the only real art that actually explores anything new is avant garde and its many iterations, but that actually causes it to be near meaningless at the same time. 99% of art are things we have seen before. That's just the way it is.
Unless your idea of discovery is super broad. I mean, how many pictures of Jesus can be painted? How many times can we see a hero, have a fatal flaw, fail, face his foe, face his flaw and succeed? A billion.
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I get that, but this is the point at which it's really starting to become ridiculous. I guess we'll see how many absurd combinations they can spit out at us.
Berardinelli has a decent meditation on this:
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History repeats itself. In the 1930s, monster movies were all the rage. Universal dominated the marketplace with titles like Dracula, Frankenstein, The Mummy, etc. Sequels followed, then team-ups, then a slow slide into oblivion. Is that the superhero progression? Post-Infinity War, post-Justice League, will there be a desperation to keep the genre from going the way of the once-popular Western?
By 2025, I expect to see Marvel, Warner Brothers, and Fox collaborating on mega-movies that will bring together combinations of Superman, Batman, X-Men, Avengers, Justice League - anything goes.
I disagree, pretty heavily, but it gets to your point of "how many combinations?"
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As always, it would depend on the project, but eventually, they ARE going to pour $350 mil. into Spider-man 10: This Time It's Personal and lose big.
No doubt. That time will come. And we'll get some other genre run into the ground. Slasher Movies in the 80s. Action Movies in the 90s. Fantasy Movies in the 2000s (The Hobbit just about killed it, even though they made money). The 2010s are going to be Superhero movies, clearly.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:13 pm to Freauxzen
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Ugh. Don't be a Nolanite
what the heck is a nolanite?
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:14 pm to leRev
quote:I'd put GBG on par with his "unexceptional" Best Picture-winning movie.
People keep saying he's a great director. He's only directed 3 features. I've seen 2 out of his 3 movies, and neither of them are exceptional. Gone Baby Gone would have to be some kind of special for me to consider him a great director.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:16 pm to blueboy
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I get that, but this is the point at which it's really starting to become ridiculous. I guess we'll see how many absurd combinations they can spit out at us.
another rumor going around today is Fox doing a crossover with the fantastic four and the X-men. Shooting for a 2018 release date.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:42 pm to RLDSC FAN
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what the heck is a nolanite?
I needed a term for the Cult of Nolan with their Leader RollTide. Those who think Nolan is Absolute. Supreme. Infallible.
You cannot slander a Nolan film, for Nolan films are automatically good, and perfect.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:55 pm to Freauxzen
quote:I've always thought the film student "man vs. _____" attitude was a bit lazy. Just because you can reduce a thing to an equation doesn't mean that you can take an equation and make something good out of it. Just because you have a hero who faces the same kinds of things doesn't make it unoriginal. Who'd have thought that Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter would be a good idea, but I thought it was. The LEGO Movie was a good and profitable original work. Originality does happen without having to be Tale of Tales.
Unless your idea of discovery is super broad. I mean, how many pictures of Jesus can be painted? How many times can we see a hero, have a fatal flaw, fail, face his foe, face his flaw and succeed? A billion.
quote:I guess all I'm really saying is that I have already reached that point. I just don't have much interest in the genre anymore.
Slasher Movies in the 80s. Action Movies in the 90s. Fantasy Movies in the 2000s (The Hobbit just about killed it, even though they made money). The 2010s are going to be Superhero movies, clearly.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:58 pm to Patrick_Bateman
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I'll be damned if I ever see a series of Batman movies better than Nolan's.
Nolan's trilogy gets so much love because The Dark Knight was excellent. Batman Begins was very good, but The Dark Knight Rises was average at best.
There is no way any objective person can claim those movies cannot be improved upon. Essentially you are saying you can see the future, and it isn't good. That is ridiculous.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 9:02 pm to blueboy
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I've always thought the film student "man vs. _____" attitude was a bit lazy. Just because you can reduce a thing to an equation doesn't mean that you can take an equation and make something good out of it. Just because you have a hero who faces the same kinds of things doesn't make it unoriginal. Who'd have thought that Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter would be a good idea, but I thought it was. The LEGO Movie was a good and profitable original work. Originality does happen without having to be Tale of Tales.
I never said they weren't good or not high quality. All it's about is originality, which, in general, they aren't.That's all. I think there's an over reaction to superhero films with reboots and similar stories. EVERYTHING is a similar story. It's unfair to lay that claim against a particular genre. Any genre.
I love horror movies. 85% of them are exactly the same admittedly.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 9:06 pm to abellsujr
I understand that probably the majority of people think he is a great director. I am of the opinion that those that think he is a great director are misguided in that opinion. He's done three feature films. One of which won an Academy Award for best picture, that it, frankly, didn't deserve. The other was a fairly well-received film but really straightforward: nothing to crown in the world of film. The last, I haven't seen, but is apparently really good.
It's not that he doesn't make movies to my liking: I watched The Town and Argo because I thought I would like them. It's that yall are talking about him like he is one of the best directors in Hollywood. Come on. He's done three movies. He's done a good job on the three movies he's directed, but neither of the two I've seen portray any sort of depth, complexity, emotion, or empathy that makes his directing special.
It's not that he doesn't make movies to my liking: I watched The Town and Argo because I thought I would like them. It's that yall are talking about him like he is one of the best directors in Hollywood. Come on. He's done three movies. He's done a good job on the three movies he's directed, but neither of the two I've seen portray any sort of depth, complexity, emotion, or empathy that makes his directing special.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 11:03 pm to Freauxzen
quote:See, now you sound like Kevin Smith. It's all been done. Why trudge on?
All it's about is originality, which, in general, they aren't.That's all. I think there's an over reaction to superhero films with reboots and similar stories. EVERYTHING is a similar story. It's unfair to lay that claim against a particular genre. Any genre.
Boil anything down to it's most elemental components, and of course everything is similar, that last word being the key. Similarity does not denote lack of originality.
Agree to disagree.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 11:05 pm to leRev
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I am of the opinion that those that think he is a great director are misguided in that opinion.
Have an opinion about the director, not the people.
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He's done three feature films. One of which won an Academy Award for best picture, that it, frankly, didn't deserve.
Eh, that year was pretty thin at honest "Best Picture" pictures. Argo was kind of the perfect film to win that year, regardless of how it stacks up all time.
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It's that yall are talking about him like he is one of the best directors in Hollywood.
If you mean best director as Top 3, of course not. And I don't think anyone is saying that.
People generally mean is probably in the top 30, and that's probably a safe evaluation. Not only that, his style itself, a sort of cold, big hollywood style heavy on urban settings is kind of perfect for Batman honestly.
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He's done a good job on the three movies he's directed, but neither of the two I've seen portray any sort of depth, complexity, emotion, or empathy that makes his directing special.
That's selling Affleck super short. You can say you don't like his style but he has developed a solid tone in all of his films. And Argo was a slick directing effort. Certainly not the best film that year, but it called back to the 70s really, really well.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 11:06 pm to blueboy
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See, now you sound like Kevin Smith. It's all been done. Why trudge on?
I'm not saying don't trudge on it for being a bad film. But don't trudge on superhero films only for being repetitive. Everything is repetitive. Be more precise with the assessment, saying they are bad because they are repetitive is the shallow way out of the analysis.
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Boil anything down to it's most elemental components, and of course everything is similar, that last word being the key. Similarity does not denote lack of originality.
Fair point.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 11:32 pm to Freauxzen
quote:Wait, I thought you were the one saying that nothing is original.
But don't trudge on superhero films only for being repetitive.
It's not that they're repetitive. It's the fact that the characters and subjects are being used up and run into the ground. I just don't give a shite what Spider-man and Batman are up to anymore, and that's kind of depressing.
Again, it's like eating your favorite food for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Eventually, you just don't want it anymore.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 11:34 pm to blueboy
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It's not that they're repetitive. It's the fact that the characters and subjects are being used up and run into the ground. I just don't give a shite what Spider-man and Batman are up to anymore, and that's kind of depressing.
That does suck a little.
There are so many good stories, that's all I see. We've seen so few on screen.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 8:47 am to Freauxzen
One of the major problems is that they're telling the same stories over and over again.
Marvel is stuck on infinity stones, DC is stuck on origin stories.
And they're all stuck on the BIG story. Everything is Earth or Universe Shattering. I want stories about Batman and Spider-Man putting their lives on the line for smaller, more interesting crimes. As we saw in the comics for decades of great stories.
Marvel is stuck on infinity stones, DC is stuck on origin stories.
And they're all stuck on the BIG story. Everything is Earth or Universe Shattering. I want stories about Batman and Spider-Man putting their lives on the line for smaller, more interesting crimes. As we saw in the comics for decades of great stories.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 9:30 am to Fewer Kilometers
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One of the major problems is that they're telling the same stories over and over again.
Marvel is stuck on infinity stones, DC is stuck on origin stories.
And they're all stuck on the BIG story. Everything is Earth or Universe Shattering. I want stories about Batman and Spider-Man putting their lives on the line for smaller, more interesting crimes. As we saw in the comics for decades of great stories.
Agree. There's a balance to be had. The comics could risk telling those stories and creating that kind of connection because the bigger stories were always going on. Daredevil was great, but a nice character-driven film on screen could be fun too.
One of my issues with Marvel is putting smaller stories on small screens (Daredevil and the Defenders specifically), rather than exploring that on the big screen.
I really hope Black Panther and Captain Marvel force Marvel to focus less on big, world changing events though.
Panther should be about Wakanda and Wakanda alone.
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