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Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:06 am to
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Jimmy goes about making up a serial killer. watching him dig thru files to find a link reminds me of S2 when he studied tides and winds just to stick the dead girls on the docs on Rawls, though not as awesome or funny as that. Bunk tries to talk him out of it but his plan to get Lester to help backfires. Seems out of character for Lester.

I didn't realize how sleazy Templeton was the first time i watched S5. He just makes up a quote about Daniels, which really hurts Daniels. A little surprised Gus would run with. He was already questioning him with the Orioles kid in a wheelchair story.

cutbacks at the paper, blamed on the "suits" from Chicago. But if readership and hence ads are declining...

Valchek leaks the real stats to Carcetti and Burrell reports juked stats which gives Carcetti what he needs to fire Burrell, the question is why at this point? It made sense before since he ran on crime, but he couldn't and effectively neutered him, so what purpose to it serve to can Burrell and move up Daniels, especially if Caretti is just going to run for Gov anyway? Everything just seems forced in this season

Marlo making moves with the Greeks, also seems a bit forced. Going after Omar at least makes sense, but sucks about Butchie, very underrated character.

Transitions:

Knowing the cops are watching, Kenard hides a bag with dog shite. Colicchio busts up the corner and goes ape shite on a civilian just trying to get through. Good for Carver to bust this douche after he refused Carver's help tp guide him thru like Daniels did for Carver, Herc and Prezbo. So glad to see him go down, but anyone notice the white cops all pretty much go down Herc, Prezbo, Colicchio....

Thanks to cutbacks at the paper the best police guy Twigg is gone and the top court guy is covering Federal courts, so they totally miss the Clay Davis grand jury. The local DA Bond though plays politics and doesn't press on Lesters "head shot" to keep the Feds out

Marlo gives the Greeks literal clean money, but still doesn't get the concept of "clean" money. Found it odd the Greek steps in and talks to Marlo, after previously always just sitting and listening. The Greeks seem a little too cautious to get in bed with Marlo.

Caretti has to buy off the Ministers to they will accept Daniels. Nerese also gets hers. She knows how to get down and dirty playing both Burrell, telling him it's not about Daniels and then telling Carcetti it is about Daniels so he will agree to let Ole Erv out gracefully.

Things are not good at the Co-Op as Marlo moves to take over and takes out Prop Joe. 2 great characters Butchie and Prop Joe whacked, frick Marlo and S5

ETA: almost forgot, it was awesome when Prop Joe takes Marlo to see Levy and Marlo asks Herc if he ever found his camera
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Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:14 am to
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They HAVE to know, just have to know, that it could jeopardize the Marlo investigation. Someone like Levy could have a field day and question everything they ever did (If you made up evidence on these homeless "murders" then how do we know you didn't do it on this Barksdale case etc, etc.

yeah if this gets exposed every criminal ever prosecuted following an investigation by either may get the prosectuion thrown out
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 6/26/16 at 12:33 pm to
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This is the episode with the infamous Omar jump. "Some real spiderman shite there"

DA Bond is preparing to nail Clay Davis. Nerese tells Clay to keep his mouth shut or he will be complete cut out. She really knows how to work it.

Herc finally does something good, stealing Marlo's cell # and giving it to Carver who gives it to Lester. Lester can't get Daniels to go to the mayor to reopen the Stanfield case. That the Dept shut down the investigation into the top suspect in the 22 row house murders is something they should have considered leaking to the press.

Instead Jimmy and Lester plot to fake a call from the killer, but Templeton does the same thing. It was awesome with him and Jimmy, both know the other is full of shite but can't say anything. This whole subplot with Templeton making shite up is something i overlooked before. Pretty scary to think about. Gus knows it, but just like the cops and the teachers, the bosses are clueless.

The Dickensian Aspect:

Jimmy and Lester get in even deeper with the fake serial killer. Kidnapping a guy and taking him to Virginia so they can send a picture to the press and get a new wire tape to see Marlo's pics. I really don't get what they are thinking. How in the world could they get Marlo with an illegal wire tap? How, exactly do they plan to explain how they got the evidence to arrest him if they get to that point?
Ironically, Bunk is on to something that actually could get them Chris.

Templeton continues to make shite up, Gus is on to him, but his stuff tugs at heartstrings so the suits love it.

Carcetti's people think his speech defending the homeless and the issue in general are his keys to the Governorship. Basically 2 higher office wins based on a total lie.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 8:57 am to
Cokes, anyone still watching? I finished S5, and while it is the worst season of the Wire, that's in part because the other seasons are so great, but there is still some good stuff. The wrap up is better than i remembered.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:20 am to
Watched E1-E4 last night. S5 isn't bothering me near as much as it did the first time I watched the series. I'm not sure why. But the newspaper angle doesn't bother me yet, and I like that they basically admit that it's a dying business due to things like the internet.

The serial killer thing. I sort of get it this time around that it seems to be more about how easy it is to pull off rather than the absurdity of them actually doing it. I thought it was pretty funny that Bunk called in Lester to talk some sense into Jimmy and he ends up jumping on board with him.

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I watched E3 last night and was thinking the same thing basically. With Jimmy, it kinda, sorta goes with the character. In E3 he's spending a lot of time going thru old files, faking the ribbon thing. It reminded me of him studying tides and winds just so he could stick the girls in S2 on Rawls which was awesome and hilarious, still my favorite Jimmy thing of the series. So I can at least buy Jimmy might do this. But Lester, just seems forced and I think Bunk could/should have done more to stop it. I know the "thin blue line and not snitching on cops thing, but this is serious trouble that could not only put Jimmy and Lester in jail, but taint their main investigation. That's the part that really just kills me. They HAVE to know, just have to know, that it could jeopardize the Marlo investigation. Someone like Levy could have a field day and question everything they ever did (If you made up evidence on these homeless "murders" then how do we know you didn't do it on this Barksdale case etc, etc.

I'm not sure what else Bunk could've done aside from turning them in, which he'd never do. Even when Jimmy tries to bring him in on it, Bunk is like "I don't want to know shite.." and walks out. And Bunk tries over and over to talk some sense into Jimmy and get him to stop.

It's actually funny to me this time around watching Jimmy try to drop hint after hint to the other detectives, only to have them not pay any attention whatsoever. And then that one dude says something about the ribbon and Jimmy is all "Oh wow, great catch, man.."

Some of my thoughts through the first four episodes:

McNulty bitching about the bullshite of his job: "fricking game is rigged." Awesome.

It's kinda weird how Avon seems to be all up on Marlo's nuts now. Like I get that he gets a little power back being that he's the connect to the Russian in jail, and also that he does right by his sister with the $100K, but he's all "I ride with West Side n-words, frick East Side n-words." And he's even like throwing west side W's at Marlo. I don't know, it just seems very un-Avon like. It's a bad look on him for now.

Butchie. Chris went hard at him, and Butchie soldiered up and didn't say jack shite. RIP, man.

RIP, Joe. I still don't quite get how exactly Cheese fricked over Joe. What was the deal with that? I know that Marlo gave Hungry Man to Cheese and Cheese told them where Prop Joe's house was, but why would they want to kill him? Was it just because Marlo wanted to be the one who ran the connect with the Greeks, or was it something else?

It's kinda cool seeing Marlo try over and over to get in with the Greeks. Like he's learning that side of the business and how it works. Just giving them case after case of cash just to get meetings and all that.

I think one reasons I am digging S5 more this time is because of how much of it shifts back to the streets/drug game. Sort of like S1.
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Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:30 am to
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Valchek leaks the real stats to Carcetti and Burrell reports juked stats which gives Carcetti what he needs to fire Burrell, the question is why at this point? It made sense before since he ran on crime, but he couldn't and effectively neutered him, so what purpose to it serve to can Burrell and move up Daniels, especially if Caretti is just going to run for Gov anyway? Everything just seems forced in this season

I think it has a lot to do with Burrell being a slapdick and Carcetti wanting his "own guy" in there. Plus he knows Daniels is a good cop and will do right by him, unlike Burrell (and Rawls as well). Also, maybe he thinks Daniels won't cook the numbers like Burrell does all the time? Who knows.
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Marlo making moves with the Greeks, also seems a bit forced.

I don't know, it makes sense knowing how Marlo is. He wants to be "the one." And he wants it all for himself. So it makes sense that he would go to the source and try to get it for himself and replace Joe. And one thing he is is direct.
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Colicchio

frick that a-hole, and good for Carter for writing his stupid arse up.
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The Greeks seem a little too cautious to get in bed with Marlo.

I agree with that, but I also think he realizes that Marlo isn't the type to back down and he sees that Marlo is serious about taking over. So I think the Greek mainly does it to shorten the process since he knows Marlo will keep coming until they either move locations or tell him yes.
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it was awesome when Prop Joe takes Marlo to see Levy and Marlo asks Herc if he ever found his camera

That was awesome. And I love how Herc is honest about it: "Lost the job over it.."
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:32 am to
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Cokes, anyone still watching?

Yeah, I am. Just fell behind the last few weeks.

I caught up on S1-4 last night and hope to watch another episode or two tonight. I hope to be caught up and finished with the series by this weekend.
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:32 am to
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Watched E1-E4 last night. S5 isn't bothering me near as much as it did the first time I watched the series. I'm not sure why. But the newspaper angle doesn't bother me yet, and I like that they basically admit that it's a dying business due to things like the internet.


I thought I was behind, now I'm way ahead. One more episode to go.

But yeah the newspaper stuff moves a little faster on the rewatch. Templeton's rise is kind of interesting this time around as well. I feel like there is a bigger story about the media in here, but they just don't get the time to tell it.

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The serial killer thing. I sort of get it this time around that it seems to be more about how easy it is to pull off rather than the absurdity of them actually doing it. I thought it was pretty funny that Bunk called in Lester to talk some sense into Jimmy and he ends up jumping on board with him.


And I love Lester, but damn dude....don't go along with this!
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:39 am to
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Templeton continues to make shite up, Gus is on to him, but his stuff tugs at heartstrings so the suits love it.


I think I have figured out why Season 5 doesn't quite pop. Gus (Clark Johnson) was great - the writers obviously focused on him and there was great casting. The bosses were good. It was Templeton who appears to have been miscast. Thomas McCarthy - whose skills appear to lie in writing and direction -

(he was just showered with accolades for last year's independent darling of the critics, Spotlight, for example. I first noticed his work in this area with The Station Agent - coincidentally he directed the unaired pilot of Game of Thrones - I'd bet he was partially responsible for getting Pete Dinklage involved in that latter project)

-He was just not up to normal Wire standards of acting. He didn't bomb, necessarily, but the cast, overall, was just so consistently solid (or better) that he stuck out like a sore thumb. He is fine for something like the son of Doc Bradley in Flags of our Fathers, but The Wire was full of relatively unknown, but outstanding actors from a craft perspective.

Part of this may have been exacerbated by his role in the also awkward serial killer storyline. Made him doubly stand out. I agree with folks who suggest, "Yeah this is typical for Jimmy, but Freamon wouldn't have gotten involved with this." Ultimately I blame the writing, but the Templeton character being cast better would have helped that whole storyline and the newspaper scenes, too.
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Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:43 am to
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. S5 isn't bothering me near as much as it did the first time I watched the series


the further along i got, the more i started to get the whole point and appreciate it a lot better.

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the newspaper angle doesn't bother me yet


to be honest, i really didn't pay as much attention to it the first time around. But i like that aspect and how it ties in to the overall theme.

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The serial killer thing. I sort of get it this time around that it seems to be more about how easy it is to pull off rather than the absurdity of them actually doing it


yeah, that's where im at as well. like it said, it does make a little more sense for Jimmy than Lester.

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It's kinda weird how Avon seems to be all up on Marlo's nuts now. Like I get that he gets a little power back being that he's the connect to the Russian in jail, and also that he does right by his sister with the $100K, but he's all "I ride with West Side n-words, frick East Side n-words." And he's even like throwing west side W's at Marlo. I don't know, it just seems very un-Avon like. It's a bad look on him for now.


I was ok with that. Him doing the W was funny to me. Plus i think it was his way to get something on Marlo and have some sense of being the man (which he clearly is inside). I think on some level he respects Marlo for the way he mastered the game and for Avon it is West Side over East.

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I still don't quite get how exactly Cheese fricked over Joe. What was the deal with that? I know that Marlo gave Hungry Man to Cheese and Cheese told them where Prop Joe's house was, but why would they want to kill him? Was it just because Marlo wanted to be the one who ran the connect with the Greeks, or was it something else?


Cheese is frustrated a few times with Prop Joe, Cheese wanting to be more gangsta with Omar especially and Joe making the "smart" business moves. As for why they kill Joe, i assume it is mostly because Marlo wants the connect and knows he can't get it with Joe around, plus he was suspicious/pissed off over Omar stealing the whole shipment.

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don't know, it makes sense knowing how Marlo is. He wants to be "the one." And he wants it all for himself. So it makes sense that he would go to the source and try to get it for himself and replace Joe. And one thing he is is direct.


yeah, that was a bad call on my part. It makes total sense for Marlo, he wants nothing more than to wear the crown, so taking over the whole city supply makes him the ultimate badass. But, i still question the Greeks accepting him so fast, without some more vetting. Nick and Frank sat there and talked to Vondos for how long, demanding to see the Greek and he just sat there at the counter sipping esspresso, but with Marlo he just outs himself 1 or 2 meetings in.

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Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:16 am to
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like it said, it does make a little more sense for Jimmy than Lester.

Oh, WAY more sense. No doubt. I just think at that point, Lester felt like he was so close on getting a case against Marlo that he was willing to bend the rules (or completely snap them in two ) to get the resources needed to make the case.
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As for why they kill Joe, i assume it is mostly because Marlo wants the connect and knows he can't get it with Joe around, plus he was suspicious/pissed off over Omar stealing the whole shipment.

Only reason I think it was more than just the connect is because Marlo, for lack of a better word, "likes" Joe. So if it was just about the connect, he could've stepped to Joe and Joe would've backed down. I mean shite, we already saw Joe was ready to leave town for good. Surely he would've handed that shite over to Marlo if he felt like his life was in danger (which it clearly was at that point).

Or shite, maybe it was as simple as Marlo wanted him dead but didn't know where he lived. So he manipulated Cheese into giving up Joe's address in exchange for Hungry Man.

"Close your eyes, Joe.."
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Nick and Frank sat there and talked to Vondos for how long, demanding to see the Greek and he just sat there at the counter sipping esspresso, but with Marlo he just outs himself 1 or 2 meetings in.

I think it was more than just what was shown. I feel like Marlo going in there was a regular occurrence. Also, with Nick and Frank, they clearly were in over their heads. I think the Greek knew that from day one, and that's why it took a while for him to come around on them. With Marlo, maybe he saw what kind of kid he was and that he was all about business and knew what he was doing. It definitely moved a little fast though. Who knows.



Also, forgot to say this, but it was cool to see Michael and Dukie being normal for a change. Dukie even got him a little white girl love.
"Nice dolphin, n!gga."
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 11:11 am to
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if it was just about the connect, he could've stepped to Joe and Joe would've backed down. I mean shite, we already saw Joe was ready to leave town for good. Surely he would've handed that shite over to Marlo if he felt like his life was in danger (which it clearly was at that point).


he tried, but Marlo said Joe would be back to mischief in no time. Marlo needed Joe dead to take over the connect.
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t, maybe it was as simple as Marlo wanted him dead but didn't know where he lived. So he manipulated Cheese into giving up Joe's address in exchange for Hungry Man.


I think that's exactly it. he knew from Cheese' outburst at the Co-op he was ripe to turn.

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With Marlo, maybe he saw what kind of kid he was and that he was all about business and knew what he was doing. It definitely moved a little fast though.

i would guess that moves fast for expedience sake. I just seems like they would typically be more cautious distancing themselves from the bodies that bring attention from LE. Vondas says something about him looking like he's from the street and Marlo says I am from the street. Though maybe they are impressed with the way Marlo tracked them down. I assume they went to Frank.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 11:53 am to
these episodes with the manipulating call logs and texting and jimmy making contact is where the serial killer stuff just gets too absurd for me. i get that BPD is so incompetent that the genius Lester and arrogant Jimmy can run circles around the bureaucracy, but this is just too much. plus, all of this is highly illegal so if Merlo/Levy press back, they're fricked. what do they expect to get from all of this?

hell even how they got the damn number is illegal as all hell

i like the newspaper stuff but it's heavy-handed. Simon was just kind of off the rails at this point and he likely was settling some scores from his time working for the papers. you have the lying whiteboy Scott, who is getting ahead by playing the corporate game, supported by the 2 elitist white editors...stomping on the "real news man" Gus, who is black, lower class, and authentic. hell even the other young reporters who are doing good work are minorities.

Clay Davis winning at trial was great, however. i love how they got a real B-more attorney legend to play his attorney

i did like the political game with the guy challenging Carcetti, with Tommy having to grovel to Norese and the resurrected Clay Davis

i enjoyed Omar's revenge plot, especially how he was so outright with his disgust of Marlo. i mean dumping all the drugs and shite was just heavy.

Bunk giving into Jimmy's plot to solve the murder contrasts with Kima flat out rejecting it all well
Posted by jamsmiley
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 12:10 pm to
the eastside versus the westside was real. they pointed it out several times in the show. Avon was still in character.

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Clay Davis winning at trial was great, however. i love how they got a real B-more attorney legend to play his attorney


Did not know this.

Kenard had no fear of Omar once he saw him limping around
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 12:15 pm to
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these episodes with the manipulating call logs and texting and jimmy making contact is where the serial killer stuff just gets too absurd for me. i get that BPD is so incompetent that the genius Lester and arrogant Jimmy can run circles around the bureaucracy, but this is just too much. plus, all of this is highly illegal so if Merlo/Levy press back, they're fricked. what do they expect to get from all of this?


Yeah, the serial killer shite isn't bothering me....yet. I am only four episodes in. I have a feeling it may get on my nerves as the season progresses.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 12:17 pm to
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Kenard had no fear of Omar once he saw him limping around


One of my biggest gripes with the show was how Omar went out. But I guess the point of that was that it could happen any time, anywhere. And it could come from anybody. And some of the kids didn't have the same level of respect/fear of Omar that the older guys did. So it wasn't a big deal for somebody like Kenard to step to him (although I still feel like he was a little young).
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 1:55 pm to
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Did not know this.

Billy Murphy

last i saw him in the news, he was representing the family of freddie grey
Posted by Jones
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 2:01 pm to
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One of my biggest gripes with the show was how Omar went out.


It was pretty bad. When I saw it, I asked myself wtf is that kid like 8 or what and he just blasted Omar in the corner store.


Bodie going out the way he did sucked also. Protecting his corner and his buddy rolls out only to have him shot in the back of the head. Would have been good for him to at least take out 1 guy on the corner that night.
Posted by ZoeFemme
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 2:02 pm to
Outside of Elba and Michael B Jordan, has anyone on the show seen their careers take off?
Posted by Jones
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 2:08 pm to
Its a stupid slideshow but it has what plenty of them are doing now.

I knew some them had new shows. Omar I noticed had a big role in a new show.


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