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re: OFFICIAL "The Wire" M/TV Board rewatch thread (current discussion starts ~p. 53)
Posted on 6/6/16 at 8:54 am to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 6/6/16 at 8:54 am to H-Town Tiger
OP is updated with new episodes. I didn't get a chance to watch these first two of S5 over the weekend, so I hope to do that in the next couple nights or so.
Plus, I want to respond to other posts since we haven't discussed S4 very much still.
Plus, I want to respond to other posts since we haven't discussed S4 very much still.
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Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:11 am to H-Town Tiger
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I really wanted to hate Bodie after killing Wallace, but what a great character.
He has a great arc, as well. A lot of kids like that don't make it. He stayed true to himself - more than a lot of folks with a better starting position than he had.
RIP Bodie
Posted on 6/6/16 at 11:37 am to Ace Midnight
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A lot of kids like that don't make it
sadly neither did Bodie
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:36 am to CocomoLSU
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I don't see why Randy can't still stay with his foster mom. She isn't dead. But they seem to be trying to find a permanent home for him. What gives??
my guess was she's still in the hospital and facing long rehab and not able to take care of him. Another thing i thought of though, is originally the cops were careful to avoid calling him a witness or get him more involved, presumably for his own safety. but since he's getting his arse kicked at the group home anyway, could they get him to be a full witness and then offer him at least police protection, which was a big piece of Carcetti's campaign? They did find Little Kevin's body, Randy could tie him to Lex which does give motive to kill LK right?
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:01 am to CocomoLSU
More with Less:
"The bigger the lie, the more they believe". Opening quote sets the tone for the season.
Bunk, Norris and Jay tricking those kids into confessing is both sad and hilarious. Wonder how ofter cops really do shite like that.
The detail is all over Marlo, but Marlo and crew know it and take extra precautions. The detail has nothing on them yet and are getting frustrated.
Meanwhile, no OT or court pay for the cops despite Carcetti's promise. Though wouldn't the Union make a lot more noise about this IRL? I'd think they'd be close to a strike.
Jimmy back to his old ways
They shut down the detail again, this time for budget cuts. But keep a Freeman and Sydnor to get Clay Davis. At least they have priorities like Daniels says.
Carcetti wouldn't take the money for the schools from the Republican gov and now he won't work with the Republican US Attorney to help with the 22 murders because the local guys want Clay Davis and he doesn't want the R's to have Davis' scalp. All so he can be governor. frick You. Don't tell me how these guys care about the people.
We get introduced to the newspaper people. Gus, is far and away the best new character and old school paper guy, I'm guessing like Simon. The news peeps are dealing with cut backs, just like the cops. Love how they get the story on Nareese and Fat-Face Rick. How much does THAT happen? The reporter Alma is married to Larry Gilliard (D'Angelo) IRL.
Unconfirmed Reports:
Scott Templeton is the new douche for this season. I had kinda forgotten about his made up story about the crippled kid at the Orioles game. Gus of course sees right thru it, but the suits run with. The bigger the lie the more they believe.
Now that the detail has backed off, Marlo's crew back to business. Kill June Bug and 2 others just because he maybe talked shite. Wow. Michael learning both from and about them.
Jimmy really all in back to his to his old self, getting hammered with Bunk and Lester as they lament the end of the detail and take swipes at how people are more upset over the disappearance of Natalie Halloway than dead black males.
Jimmy and Lester try and go around the Dept again and bring the Marlo case to the Feds, but the US Atty won't help since Carcetti told him to frick off. Carcetti says its on them, nope sorry, you put your career ahead of the city.
Hungover/Drunk Jimmy takes his new found info about post-mortem marks on the neck being indistinguishable from strangulation to stage a serial killing to get some extra funds for the police. This always seemed forced and does again. Frankly Bunk should have done more to stop him.
ETA: forgot to mention how awesome it is when Marlo goes to the prison to met with Sergi/Boris (he even calls him Boris, why always boris
) and Avon is there to shake him down for $100K. Then when Avon is in the background doing the "West Side" gang sign is great. Avon > Marlo.
"The bigger the lie, the more they believe". Opening quote sets the tone for the season.
Bunk, Norris and Jay tricking those kids into confessing is both sad and hilarious. Wonder how ofter cops really do shite like that.
The detail is all over Marlo, but Marlo and crew know it and take extra precautions. The detail has nothing on them yet and are getting frustrated.
Meanwhile, no OT or court pay for the cops despite Carcetti's promise. Though wouldn't the Union make a lot more noise about this IRL? I'd think they'd be close to a strike.
Jimmy back to his old ways
They shut down the detail again, this time for budget cuts. But keep a Freeman and Sydnor to get Clay Davis. At least they have priorities like Daniels says.
Carcetti wouldn't take the money for the schools from the Republican gov and now he won't work with the Republican US Attorney to help with the 22 murders because the local guys want Clay Davis and he doesn't want the R's to have Davis' scalp. All so he can be governor. frick You. Don't tell me how these guys care about the people.
We get introduced to the newspaper people. Gus, is far and away the best new character and old school paper guy, I'm guessing like Simon. The news peeps are dealing with cut backs, just like the cops. Love how they get the story on Nareese and Fat-Face Rick. How much does THAT happen? The reporter Alma is married to Larry Gilliard (D'Angelo) IRL.
Unconfirmed Reports:
Scott Templeton is the new douche for this season. I had kinda forgotten about his made up story about the crippled kid at the Orioles game. Gus of course sees right thru it, but the suits run with. The bigger the lie the more they believe.
Now that the detail has backed off, Marlo's crew back to business. Kill June Bug and 2 others just because he maybe talked shite. Wow. Michael learning both from and about them.
Jimmy really all in back to his to his old self, getting hammered with Bunk and Lester as they lament the end of the detail and take swipes at how people are more upset over the disappearance of Natalie Halloway than dead black males.
Jimmy and Lester try and go around the Dept again and bring the Marlo case to the Feds, but the US Atty won't help since Carcetti told him to frick off. Carcetti says its on them, nope sorry, you put your career ahead of the city.
Hungover/Drunk Jimmy takes his new found info about post-mortem marks on the neck being indistinguishable from strangulation to stage a serial killing to get some extra funds for the police. This always seemed forced and does again. Frankly Bunk should have done more to stop him.
ETA: forgot to mention how awesome it is when Marlo goes to the prison to met with Sergi/Boris (he even calls him Boris, why always boris
) and Avon is there to shake him down for $100K. Then when Avon is in the background doing the "West Side" gang sign is great. Avon > Marlo. This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:08 am to H-Town Tiger
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Gus, is far and away the best new character and old school paper guy, I'm guessing like Simon.
Clark Johnson.
My candidate for GOAT television director, solely based on his work on The Shield (Pilot and Finale) and The Wire (Pilot and Finale) - bad arse.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:21 am to Ace Midnight
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The Shield
i really want to watch this but it's only on HuLu
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:26 am to H-Town Tiger
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i really want to watch this but it's only on HuLu
I could have sworn it was on Amazon Prime. I have all the DVDs, but that doesn't help you.
Sorry man. That's a great show.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:44 am to Ace Midnight
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I could have sworn it was on Amazon Prime
actually i think it is, but not part of the package, so 2.99/ep in HD, F-That
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:36 am to H-Town Tiger
been busy working on a capstone project.
the McDonald's and copy machine scheme should never work in real life.
It funny seeing clay going to police commissioner as if he could help him
the McDonald's and copy machine scheme should never work in real life.
It funny seeing clay going to police commissioner as if he could help him
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 11:40 am
Posted on 6/8/16 at 1:42 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I agree with you about Michael's arch seeming forced. I guess we are supposed to think Bug's dad coming back pushes him over but we never see the dad do anything to Bug and maybe that's intentional as well, but since they just strongly imply Michael was abused without saying it, it just doesn't play well. Marlo took an interest in him early when he wouldn't take his money, but that doesn't really go anywhere. I think there should have been something, like maybe Ofc Walker busted him for something petty or something more obvious to push him over.
Right. Even if they wanted to make it about Bug's dad, they could've done better with that. So are we to assume that he basically joins up with Marlo/Chris because of waht Chris did for him with Bug's pop? Sort of like a "they did this for me so now I have to repay them/want to run with them" kinda thing? That's sort of how I took his decision to do that, but that's what feels so out of place, because we've always seen Michael, for the most part, be a pretty good/level-headed kid.
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I do have to disagree with you about your boy Namond. I feel bad for him. He's Ziggy. Annoying as frick, but he's just out of place, he has no business being in the game. At least Dee had some skills. He probably would have been much better running the legit stuff for Stringer, but he managed a crew pretty well. But Namond has none of that. Of course poor Dukie and even Michael would be more deserving, but the scene with Bunny and Bay was awesome. Bay lets go where Frank and Dee's mom could not. Good stuff, also when he rips DLonda's head off. What a count.
Yeah, we can disagree.
My problem with Namond is that he doesn't deserve a shot. Yeah, he had a fricked up parent situation from out perspective. But from that side of the game, he had a fantastic parent situation. Not only are both of his parents together, but his dad is well respected on the street and provided a hell of a living, and his mom spoiled him with material things all his life. most street kids would kill for that.
Then you have kids like Randy and Dukie (and even Michael) who easily deserve a second chance more than Namond, but they don't get one. And the main reason Namond gets his is because he was disruptive in class and got put in with Bunny's program.
But one thing I love about the show is that it's real-to-life. So in real life, it's not always the kids that deserve it that get the chance. Sometimes shitty people have good things happen to them and vice versa. That's life. And that's The Wire. And yeah, I loved the scenes with WeeBay in prison.
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the whole Bubbles story line was so sad. Though I'm a little confused as to why he was so attached to Sherrod? Was he just looking for someone to work with/care for since he's lonely? Still just awful. But after all Jays griping about Lester (the he's a Hun comments was hilarious) killing he clearance rate, he tells Norris to let Bubs go even though it was an easy clearance.
I think Bubbles just found something that he could try to make better, and in turn maybe make himself better. And he found that in Sherrod. In a way, I guess it made him feel responsible for something. And additionally, he had another person working with him, which not only means more ground covered and money made, but also means something from a protection standpoint (or should have).
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He gets it
Here's to Bodie
Indeed.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 1:46 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Don't even sweat my man brah, Cutty's all over dat I'm tellin ya our boy Cutty is in a sweet spot. Way more horny women in his neighborhood in his age range than dudes.
Yeah, but then he's fricking all of the gangster kids' mommas, and that may not end well.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 1:49 pm to H-Town Tiger
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my guess was she's still in the hospital and facing long rehab and not able to take care of him. Another thing i thought of though, is originally the cops were careful to avoid calling him a witness or get him more involved, presumably for his own safety. but since he's getting his arse kicked at the group home anyway, could they get him to be a full witness and then offer him at least police protection, which was a big piece of Carcetti's campaign? They did find Little Kevin's body, Randy could tie him to Lex which does give motive to kill LK right?
I don't know, but I feel like they handled it about the worst way they possibly could though. even to the point of Carver not just taking him home for a night or two to figure out what's up.
Seems like they could help him out as a witness, but he really wasn't a witness to much though. he mainly said what he heard.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:17 pm to CocomoLSU
bubbles also has a son. In a way it was his attempt at parenting sherrod. he probaly felt the emptiness of not being their for his own son. In a way that differentiated him from the way schooling Johnny.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 3:12 pm to CocomoLSU
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Yeah, but then he's fricking all of the gangster kids' mommas, and that may not end well
yeah, he's better off with the nurse, plus she can get that whole take of/rescue him bit
Cutty 
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That's sort of how I took his decision to do that, but that's what feels so out of place, because we've always seen Michael, for the most part, be a pretty good/level-headed kid.
Yeah, forced is really the best way to put it. There should have been something more obvious to push him over. That why i thought, maybe he gets beat up by the cops or something. Its like that needed a kid to be the next generation ______ and went with Mike.
Dukie's fate, is sadly the most predictable and easy to see one.
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Not only are both of his parents together, but his dad is well respected on the street and provided a hell of a living, and his mom spoiled him with material things all his life. most street kids would kill for that.
i thought of that, he's the best off of the 4 by far, materially anyway, with Randy next, but having a dad in prison for life for multiple murders and a mom that wants her son to be a gangster isn't just messed up from our perspective
But it is better than Dukie or Michael. But ,just like Ziggy, who's not bad off, he just doesn't fit the family biz. Plus his mom is a huge count. And Bodie saw right through her fat arse. quote:
And the main reason Namond gets his is because he was disruptive in class and got put in with Bunny's program.
and looking back on it, that felt a little forced too. Albert and Zenobia have some deep problems. Namond was just fronting, trying to get kicked out of class to go to the corner because that's what his mom wanted.
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But one thing I love about the show is that it's real-to-life. So in real life, it's not always the kids that deserve it that get the chance. Sometimes shitty people have good things happen to them
for sure.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 3:21 pm to jamsmiley
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he McDonald's and copy machine scheme should never work in real life.
The McD part is the classic "prisoner's dilemma" but i would hope the copy machine wouldn't work and even if it did, would get tossed by a marginal PD.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:57 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Dukie's fate, is sadly the most predictable and easy to see one.
Randy's is as well.
But I remember watching the first time and not seeing Dukie playing out at all. That was one of the things that surprised me when they started taking him down that road. So sad.
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and looking back on it, that felt a little forced too. Albert and Zenobia have some deep problems. Namond was just fronting, trying to get kicked out of class to go to the corner because that's what his mom wanted.
Yeah, Albert would've been much better. I realize why they went with Nay, but Albert was a truly troubled kid that I wish they would've expanded on a bit.
And Bubbles has a son? Have we discussed that already and I forgot?
Posted on 6/13/16 at 7:49 am to CocomoLSU
OP updated.
I still am behind, and baseball this weekend didn't help. Need to watch the first 4 episodes of S5.
Thinking about putting the thread on hold for a week...I'll be out on vacation most of this week (Wed-Sun).
Thoughts? If y'all would rather keep going, we can do that, but I'm just not sure when I'll be able to catch up with the episodes. And I'm the last one to respond to the thread prior to this post anyway.
I still am behind, and baseball this weekend didn't help. Need to watch the first 4 episodes of S5.
Thinking about putting the thread on hold for a week...I'll be out on vacation most of this week (Wed-Sun).
Thoughts? If y'all would rather keep going, we can do that, but I'm just not sure when I'll be able to catch up with the episodes. And I'm the last one to respond to the thread prior to this post anyway.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 7:52 am to CocomoLSU
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My problem with Namond is that he doesn't deserve a shot.
I don't think that's fair. Namond is still a kid after all. He's weak, but he isn't mean. Being a gangster just isn't in him. He deserved a shot as much as any of them. It's arbitrary and that's part of the point. They're all just kids. Bunny couldn't save them all.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:22 am to Ace Midnight
It's definitely sort of arbitrary, no doubt. My point with that was that Namond had it better than 99% of the kids on the street.
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