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re: Official Comic Book Hero Tournament (Round III) Results In!
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:25 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:25 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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You may disagree but we have to have some degree of limitation. Faster than the speed of light is going too far
If we limit Flash to just running fast then just take him out of the tourney now. If we use him as he is in the comics then he makes a Superman showdown much more interesting.
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:25 pm to Bamatab
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I'll give you that. But all Superman has to do is hover 20 feet in the air so Flash can't touch him, freeze the ground with ice, and then blast Flash with heat vision. Heck, really all Supes has to do is hover, keep blasting at Flash with his heat vision until Flash tires out so Superman can hit him.
Your scenario assumes Supes knows he is dealing with a speedster. Also, you forget that Flash can use his speed and motion to launch himself pretty high (depending on the height and angle of things handy for him to leap from).
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:29 pm to BlacknGold
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but if the flash is running that fast, wouldnt he need to be circling the globe basically over and over? how would that work in the "battle arena?"
From his perspective everything slows WAY down. So what we perceive as going around the globe over and over would be so much more to him. That's how fast he is.
Also, he can cut through the space time fabric hence the time flow manipulation. There's no way for any hero left on the list to keep up with him.
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also, if hes moving that fast, is he really going to be able to attack someone "standing still?" your accuracy has to be completely gone at that point.
As stated above. In his mind, he is moving at normal speeds and everyone else basically stops or slows WAYYY down (if they are super fast to begin with).
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:30 pm to theunknownknight
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If we limit Flash to just running fast then just take him out of the tourney now
like limiting Batman to just some guy who can fight well?
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:31 pm to BlacknGold
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like limiting Batman to just some guy who can fight well?
Relatively speaking, Batman never stood a chance regardless.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:33 pm to BlacknGold
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like limiting Batman to just some guy who can fight well?
He still had all his tools and toys. He just didn't have his special ability to beat any and every other hero as a result of being Batman, which is fricking stupid.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:35 pm to theunknownknight
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As stated above. In his mind, he is moving at normal speeds and everyone else basically stops or slows WAYYY down
thats usually not the case. when he really lets go its all a huge blur, especially when tapping into the speed force. ive read a lot of wally and now barry since new 52 stuff.
in the phase where things just look slowed down, Superman can go that fast as well. Flash is faster but has to tap into that extra speed which usually does distort his perception.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:41 pm to bigpetedatiga
Firestorm
Shazam
Black Bolt
Hulk
Superman
Flash
Green Lantern
Um...hmm...no Phoenix Force, Thor
Shazam
Black Bolt
Hulk
Superman
Flash
Green Lantern
Um...hmm...no Phoenix Force, Thor
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:47 pm to bigpetedatiga
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Match #1
place #1: Firestorm
place #2: Zatana
If this is the first time they meet, Zatana wouldnt know if Firestorm is human, a demon, or a spirit. I think she needs to have a concrete thought in her mind when using spells.
Match #2
place #1: Shazam
place #2: Hellboy
I know people have complained about too many "strong-type" characters from DC. Shazam is actually quite different in that he is extremely naive. He has the "wisdom" of Solomon, but he is still a kid and acts like on. Hellboy wins on experience alone.
Match #3
place #1: Wonder Woman
place #2: Black Bolt
Just my gut on this one. Lasso gives her a big edge I feel.
Match #4
place #1: Hulk (Planet Hulk)
place #2: Ghost Rider
Open to this fight.
Match #5
place #1: Superman
place #2: Power Girl
Older brother always beat the younger sibling
Match #6
place #1: Spider-Man
place #2: Flash (Barry Allen)
Not much of a fight here.
Match #7
place #1: Ms. Marvel
place #2: Green Latern (Hal Jordan)
If Captain America stands a chance against Spider-Man, and Iceman stands a chance against Superman, then Hal can pull this off.
Match #8
place #1: Jean Grey
place #2: Thor
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:59 pm to BlacknGold
Let's get back on a battle. Black bolt vs ww.
I just can't see how black bolt wins. Seems like if he can't win on his big moves then he gets too weak. WW is said to be close to superman power. I believe she could take a blast like his.
I just can't see how black bolt wins. Seems like if he can't win on his big moves then he gets too weak. WW is said to be close to superman power. I believe she could take a blast like his.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:00 pm to BlacknGold
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BlacknGold
With the exception of hulk ours are the same.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:04 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
i could go either way on that one. ive never read Planet Hulk, just read what people posted. but isnt he the same bruce banner just sent to a planet? is he that different than bruce on earth hulk?
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:09 pm to BlacknGold
From the little I know, it seems he is more thought provoking.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:12 pm to BlacknGold
quote:Bruce pretty much no longer exists. The Hulk is in control.
i could go either way on that one. ive never read Planet Hulk, just read what people posted. but isnt he the same bruce banner just sent to a planet? is he that different than bruce on earth hulk?
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:36 pm to Scruffy
But he's not the completely retarded hulk?
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:37 pm to bigpetedatiga
Lots of great match-ups this go-round. Here's my best take on them:
Match #1
place #1: Firestorm
place #2: Zatana
Don't know that much about either. But Firestorm seems to have some pretty awesome powers. Plus he has one of the coolest look of any character out there. So he gets my vote.
Match #2
place #1: Shazam
place #2: Hellboy
Got to give this one to the Big Red Cheese. Mostly because I think he's just stronger. But if you think about it, while Hellboy is the son of the devil or demon in the Judeo Christian tradition (with maybe a dollop of an Arthurian connection), Shazam has the attributes of several gods and heroes, mostly from the Greek pantheon but also Solomon.
Match #3
place #1: Wonder Woman
place #2: Black Bolt
Dang. This one is difficult. I think WW's physical strength is greater than BB's probably. But he has that one ultra power in his voice. I'm going to go with him on this one.
Match #4
place #1: Hulk (Planet Hulk)
place #2: Ghost Rider
Hulk in a pretty easy victory I'd say.
Match #5
place #1: Superman
place #2: Power Girl
No idea. I'll go with Supes on the basis his powers just seem to be pretty much off the charts.
Match #6
place #1: Spider-Man
place #2: Flash (Barry Allen)
Spidey ain't got a chance in this one.
Match #7
place #1: Ms. Marvel
place #2: Green Latern (Hal Jordan)
Another difficult one. Both have military training I think and both have an impressive power set. Based on some of the earlier analysis up thread I thnk maybe Ms. Marvel takes this one.
Match #8
place #1: Jean Grey
place #2: Thor
The Thunder God overcomes Marvel Girl's mind powers for the win.
Match #1
place #1: Firestorm
place #2: Zatana
Don't know that much about either. But Firestorm seems to have some pretty awesome powers. Plus he has one of the coolest look of any character out there. So he gets my vote.
Match #2
place #1: Shazam
place #2: Hellboy
Got to give this one to the Big Red Cheese. Mostly because I think he's just stronger. But if you think about it, while Hellboy is the son of the devil or demon in the Judeo Christian tradition (with maybe a dollop of an Arthurian connection), Shazam has the attributes of several gods and heroes, mostly from the Greek pantheon but also Solomon.
Match #3
place #1: Wonder Woman
place #2: Black Bolt
Dang. This one is difficult. I think WW's physical strength is greater than BB's probably. But he has that one ultra power in his voice. I'm going to go with him on this one.
Match #4
place #1: Hulk (Planet Hulk)
place #2: Ghost Rider
Hulk in a pretty easy victory I'd say.
Match #5
place #1: Superman
place #2: Power Girl
No idea. I'll go with Supes on the basis his powers just seem to be pretty much off the charts.
Match #6
place #1: Spider-Man
place #2: Flash (Barry Allen)
Spidey ain't got a chance in this one.
Match #7
place #1: Ms. Marvel
place #2: Green Latern (Hal Jordan)
Another difficult one. Both have military training I think and both have an impressive power set. Based on some of the earlier analysis up thread I thnk maybe Ms. Marvel takes this one.
Match #8
place #1: Jean Grey
place #2: Thor
The Thunder God overcomes Marvel Girl's mind powers for the win.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:57 pm to BlacknGold
quote:No. He is intelligent and powerful as hell.
But he's not the completely retarded hulk?
Posted on 4/2/14 at 12:07 am to Methuselah
FWIW the more I think about it the more sure I am the board has gotten it completely wrong with respect to the GR vs Hulk matchup.
Hulk's only power is his physical strength. GR simply cannot be harmed by physical means. Even if you could theoretically rip him limb from limb for a moment he reforms in a blaze of hellfire instantaneously. GR's only functional vulnerabilities are his moral code and his vulnerability to magic such as a holy weapon. Nothing else can functionally touch him (and this probably makes him an automatic winner against most of the field and ridiculously overpowered the more I read).
GR can harm the Hulk should he so choose. The versions of the hulk which require oxygen can be asphyxiated by burning up the oxygen around the hulk. The World War Hulk should be vulnerable to the penance stare assuming Banner is still in there and wracked by guilt for the inadvertent wrongs he's performed. Failing everything else GR could simply take the Hulk to Hell.
Hulk's only power is his physical strength. GR simply cannot be harmed by physical means. Even if you could theoretically rip him limb from limb for a moment he reforms in a blaze of hellfire instantaneously. GR's only functional vulnerabilities are his moral code and his vulnerability to magic such as a holy weapon. Nothing else can functionally touch him (and this probably makes him an automatic winner against most of the field and ridiculously overpowered the more I read).
GR can harm the Hulk should he so choose. The versions of the hulk which require oxygen can be asphyxiated by burning up the oxygen around the hulk. The World War Hulk should be vulnerable to the penance stare assuming Banner is still in there and wracked by guilt for the inadvertent wrongs he's performed. Failing everything else GR could simply take the Hulk to Hell.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 1:11 am to molsusports
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FWIW the more I think about it the more sure I am the board has gotten it completely wrong with respect to the GR vs Hulk matchup.
Hulk's only power is his physical strength. GR simply cannot be harmed by physical means. Even if you could theoretically rip him limb from limb for a moment he reforms in a blaze of hellfire instantaneously. GR's only functional vulnerabilities are his moral code and his vulnerability to magic such as a holy weapon. Nothing else can functionally touch him (and this probably makes him an automatic winner against most of the field and ridiculously overpowered the more I read).
Which is an inherent flaw in this entire thing if you look at it from that perspective. Hell, we already had the Hulk beat Silver Surfer in this thing, which would be pretty much impossible as the Hulk wouldn't really be able to touch him.
Nobody on this list would actually be able to hit the Flash, but then Flash would be unable to really harm most of the stronger people on the list either. So you get into many weird setups.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 1:58 am to auyushu
Supposedly if you go back and look at the comics showing the head to head matchups between the hulk and silver surfer the surfer won the majority of the encounters. The most recent encounter however was won by the hulk (in his most powerful iteration in the world war hulk comics).
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I guess there's an argument to be made that the most powerful version of the hulk could kill the surfer since he did - but a prior encounter in which the surfer was able to drain the gamma ray energy from the hulk and effectively neuter him without major danger is also provocative.
Overall IMO I don't think the hulk should have been expected to beat the surfer (whether or not the hulk was able to withstand a cosmic blast from galactus). The comic books are obviously highly inconsistent FWIW - I don't think writers are even aware of the prior encounters in many cases judging by the wild inconsistency of the results
LINK
I guess there's an argument to be made that the most powerful version of the hulk could kill the surfer since he did - but a prior encounter in which the surfer was able to drain the gamma ray energy from the hulk and effectively neuter him without major danger is also provocative.
Overall IMO I don't think the hulk should have been expected to beat the surfer (whether or not the hulk was able to withstand a cosmic blast from galactus). The comic books are obviously highly inconsistent FWIW - I don't think writers are even aware of the prior encounters in many cases judging by the wild inconsistency of the results
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