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re: Joss Whedon quits Twitter. (Spoilers for Age of Ultron)

Posted on 5/5/15 at 5:32 pm to
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 5/5/15 at 5:32 pm to
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Men don't want to BE women. They'll enjoy the action, but they can't BE Lara croft. Imagine if the girl from last man on earth (carol) was black widow in this movie (Ultron)


I sort of disagree though (that's why I said base level), it's much more enticing to be a world traveling, arse-kicking, archaeologist (or whatever Croft calls herself), than a 40-Year Old, Drunk, douche of a cop. I'd much rather be in the Lara Croft film than in a John McClane film. At least there's some partial fame and chance of a payout. (I'd much rather watch the McClane film, but you get the point).

I can't BE Lara Croft, but I can imagine myself in her situation right? (Save for the Love interest, BUT woman have had to do that if they Enjoy action films.)

Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 5/5/15 at 6:06 pm to
Die hard is somewhat vicarious entertainment, but the character is strong so I feel like I'm viewing it externally

Amidst superhero movies, a lot of horror movies, etc. I'm not viewing it so much as living it. That's just me though

If you're going off the movies alone without referencing the comics, I don't feel the characters have anything going on. They're not boring because they have super powers and go on adventures, but I can't really describe any personality qualities other than tony stark (and after 5 movies, we still get the same thing)

Without mentioning cop, guinea tee, gun, etc. there's a lot I can tell you about john mcclane. He's sarcastic. He has a short temper, he's brave, he's a blue collar guy. He doesn't easily make friends and the relationships he does have are contentious. He's rough around the edges. He's tough, doesn't hesitate to do what's necessary even at risk to himself. Everything about him is a throwback to an earlier era lower middle class New Yorker. He trusts his instincts and won't hesitate to snub authority in the course of doing what he thinks is right or best (doesn't help he doesn't like authority. He doesn't mix well with desk jockeys. His personality often reflects his situation...on an island by himself. He's obnoxious and violent but in a heroic and like able sort of way. Despite his blue collar attitude and personality he's got a quick wit. He doesn't suffer fools lightly and he has no problem resorting to the most extreme violence to save the day or himself He's a regular man's man

Captain America. He's brave. He's selfless, and will risk his life for others. He's old fashioned (not really he's from the past) he's strong and has a lot of selfless spirit. He's patriotic. He's lonely but seeks companionship. But like all of this can be discerned from his name.

CAPTAIN AMERICA, and the characterization of those things isn't as strong as a john mcclane and his character apart from being a super soldier from WWII isnt so different from a lot of people, so it's not as interesting as a john mcclane
Posted by Darkknight
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 5/5/15 at 7:22 pm to
I honestly like the back and forth banter, but wow, y'all got a lot to say!! And this coming from an honest to Grodd hardcore comic book fanatic!

Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 5/5/15 at 8:02 pm to
A conversation with freauxzen can be engrossing
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
40808 posts
Posted on 5/5/15 at 8:22 pm to
I will never understand why people get so worked up over things like movies, sports, etc. To the point where they are making personal attacks and threats on the people directly involved with them. It's really retarded.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108534 posts
Posted on 5/5/15 at 8:35 pm to
While I have my issues with the film, I think it's all in all a good flick and it's simply ridiculous people would give him death threats for this. It's not as if he turned this into Battlefield Earth or something like that.
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 5/6/15 at 1:49 pm to
Update: Joss says that feminists harrassment is not why he left twitter.

LINK /

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“That is horseshite,” he told BuzzFeed News by phone on Tuesday. “Believe me, I have been attacked by militant feminists since I got on Twitter. That’s something I’m used to. Every breed of feminism is attacking every other breed, and every subsection of liberalism is always busy attacking another subsection of liberalism, because god forbid they should all band together and actually fight for the cause.

“I saw a lot of people say, ‘Well, the social justice warriors destroyed one of their own!’ It’s like, Nope. That didn’t happen,” he continued. “I saw someone tweet it’s because Feminist Frequency pissed on Avengers 2, which for all I know they may have. But literally the second person to write me to ask if I was OK when I dropped out was [Feminist Frequency founder] Anita [Sarkeesian].”


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So why did Whedon leave if it wasn’t over abuse? He told Buzzfeed, “I just thought, Wait a minute, if I’m going to start writing again, I have to go to the quiet place,” he said. “And this is the least quiet place I’ve ever been in my life.”

He also added a reason for deletion rather than simply stepping away, saying “Twitter is an addictive little thing, and if it’s there, I gotta check it. When you keep doing something after it stops giving you pleasure, that’s kind of rock bottom for an addict. …I just had a little moment of clarity where I’m like, You know what? If I want to get stuff done, I need to not constantly hit this thing for a news item or a joke or some praise, and then be suddenly sad when there’s hate and then hate and then hate.”
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58081 posts
Posted on 5/6/15 at 1:59 pm to
I don't even understand how some people are so badly misinterpreting what that BW/Banner scene was about.

It's like they are willfully ignoring that he just told her he can't have normal relationship or family so she used that to relate to him or that she was referring to her life of killing when calling herself a monster b/c he also feels like a monster for hurting people.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 5/6/15 at 2:03 pm to
quote:

I need to not constantly hit this thing for a news item or a joke or some praise, and then be suddenly sad when there’s hate and then hate and then hate
so he was or was NOT bullied off twitter
quote:



Every breed of feminism is attacking every other breed, and every subsection of liberalism is always busy attacking another subsection of liberalism, because god forbid they should all band together and actually fight for the cause.
as if being a lard arse wearing a stupid hat didn't make him enough of a douche, he had to really hit it out of the park

Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58081 posts
Posted on 5/6/15 at 2:09 pm to
he pretty clearly states he wasn't bullied off of twitter.

if you have read his interviews over the last year or so he has mentioned a few times that he only signed up to promote a movie and that he wasted too much time on it.

this isnt even the first time he's quit twitter.



This post was edited on 5/6/15 at 3:21 pm
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 5/6/15 at 2:11 pm to
that last sentence was unclear. thank you.
Posted by asurob1
On the edge of the galaxy
Member since May 2009
26971 posts
Posted on 5/6/15 at 2:14 pm to
quote:

I don't even understand how some people are so badly misinterpreting what that BW/Banner scene was about.

It's like they are willfully ignoring that he just told her he can't have normal relationship or family so she used that to relate to him or that she was referring to her life of killing when calling herself a monster b/c he also feels like a monster for hurting people.


THIS RIGHT HERE.

Makes me nuts.

I sat through the movie opening night.

I remember the scene well.

In no way did BW say she was a monster because she couldn't have kids.

She was using her back story to assure Banner that it was okay, she couldn't have kids "either".

She was trying to relate to him because she was interested in being with him.

Holy shite people are stupid.
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 5/6/15 at 2:15 pm to
quote:

I don't even understand how some people are so badly misinterpreting what that BW/Banner scene was about.


Yeah, I think there are people who just looking for offense or in someone like Whedon's case, any hint of apostasy so we can attack him/her for impurity and lack of devotion to the cause. It's just exhausting.

I mean, the theme of Family runs throughout the film (and the previous Avengers). And her admission of sterilization isn't the ENDPOINT of her discussion, but literally the START. It's the first thing out of her mouth. Banner complains about his inability to have a family and how he feels this absence, using it as an excuse to distance himself from intimacy from Natasha, and she calls the bluff. She connects with him right away because she can't either. It's not a commentary on her nature as a woman but a way to connect with the other human being she's talking to.

The part that makes her a monster, the end point of her monologue and flashback, is that all of these decisions she made turned her into a more efficient killing machine. She's not a monster due to being sterilized, she's a monster because she was raised and trained to be a murder machine without human attachment. It is only by embrace of family (like her role as an aunt to Clint's kids) that she can become a whole person. It's not reducing Natasha to just a baby maker. It's exploring the theme in the film of the Avengers as a surrogate family, particularly for Black Widow and Captain America, who have no blood family.

It's also trying to make a connection with Banner, the most detached and socially awkward of their family. Natasha and Banner both crave intimacy, but Banner is still afraid of it. Natasha is not anymore.
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37289 posts
Posted on 5/6/15 at 2:59 pm to
quote:

So why did Whedon leave if it wasn’t over abuse? He told Buzzfeed, “I just thought, Wait a minute, if I’m going to start writing again, I have to go to the quiet place,” he said. “And this is the least quiet place I’ve ever been in my life.”


Truth.

I use Twitter, but yeah it's often just a bunch of people yelling.

quote:

“Twitter is an addictive little thing, and if it’s there, I gotta check it. When you keep doing something after it stops giving you pleasure, that’s kind of rock bottom for an addict. …I just had a little moment of clarity where I’m like, You know what? If I want to get stuff done, I need to not constantly hit this thing for a news item or a joke or some praise, and then be suddenly sad when there’s hate and then hate and then hate.”


This can be said of all social media. Facebook is just a place to post some picture and basically beg for people to like it or comment on it.

It's often so misleading in how people use it.







But I wish I could give it up completely (I use Twitter for News and Developing a professional brand. That's it. I never use Facebook, but I just can't get rid of my account.)
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