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re: Joss Whedon quits Twitter. (Spoilers for Age of Ultron)
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:23 pm to DelU249
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:23 pm to DelU249
quote:This will always be the problem. It's about money to studios. They look at the bottom line. Hunger Games and Twilight are designed for a female audience. The issue that Fox, Marvel, and DC run into is, how can they make money from a female character in a movie that has a target audience of mainly men? How can a female superhero appeal to a male AND a female crowd? Usually it's to put them in a movie that has a male lead (IE Avengers, X-Men films). Can they work in a movie alone? History says no, but I believe that is changing. A Black Widow movie would make loads of cash because she's been established so well, and depending on what happens with BvS, Wonder Woman has a chance (especially with the history WW has in general). Captain Marvel will make money because of the Marvel track record. Even people who don't know who she is will see the movie because Marvel. Things are getting better.
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Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:23 pm to Baloo
quote:they're aimed at boys for a reason...this would be like me complaining about ken doll.
all aimed at boys
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:26 pm to Dr RC
quote:And that's what studios need to realize. Things are different now. Marvel has changed things, maybe without even realizing it.
He's right that the movies were disasters but it certainly wasn't b/c they were female led films.
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:26 pm to abellsujr
quote:everything is bottom line...in life.
They look at the bottom line
it is not 100% bottom line for everyone, but jeez talk about a product carefully crafted in some boring corporate boardroom, Hunger Games and Twilight are bullshite
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:28 pm to DelU249
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good luck getting a man to go to a female super hero movie unless she is wearing revealing clothing and looks sexy.
Thats fricking ridiculous thinking.
Men will go see movies that are well made and filled w/action. You dont need to have a chicks tits hanging out for them to want to go see something.
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:28 pm to Baloo
Women are seeing the shite out of Avengers right now. That's not the problem.
Supergirl, Elektra, and Catwoman tanked. Not because they're women, but because they're shitty movies. Lara Croft did well enough worldwide to get a sequel. Those Hunger Games and Divergent movies are based around heroines, they're doing fine. Lucy did damn well at the box office.
Just write and direct a great movie and quit blaming it on the women.
Supergirl, Elektra, and Catwoman tanked. Not because they're women, but because they're shitty movies. Lara Croft did well enough worldwide to get a sequel. Those Hunger Games and Divergent movies are based around heroines, they're doing fine. Lucy did damn well at the box office.
Just write and direct a great movie and quit blaming it on the women.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:29 pm to DelU249
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good luck getting a man to go to a female super hero movie unless she is wearing revealing clothing and looks sexy
Just because you objectify women doesn't mean everyone does. Men will see a female super hero movie if it is good. Just like women go to male super hero movie. That's an insulting argument, that men cannot accept a female lead in a movie unless she is a sex object.
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because otherwise what's the point? you want to project yourself in the scene, hard to do when your genitals are different.
That's a really weird argument. Are you seriously arguing that I can't enjoy scenes with the Black Widow unless by jimmies are tingling? I'm not 14.
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People want to cry foul on someone, or society, but the fact of the matter is, men relate to men, not women
That's completely untrue, and rather insulting. I relate to women just fine, but I'm not hung up on their genitals like you are, apparently.
It seems clear that a female-centric comic or movie would certainly lose you as an audience member, but try not to project your prejudice against women on the rest of us. I can relate to women because, get this, they are people. I relate to my fellow human beings.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:30 pm to Dr RC
quote:
good luck getting a man to go to a female super hero movie unless she is wearing revealing clothing and looks sexy.
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Thats fricking ridiculous thinking.
Men will go see movies that are well made and filled w/action. You dont need to have a chicks tits hanging out for them to want to go see something.
The top quote is where the "Not enough explosions and chase scenes for it to be a good movie?" meme comes from.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:36 pm to Dr RC
quote:the problem is none of them are.
well made
I'm not hammering it, but it's true...comic book movies just aren't very good films. Anyone who in one breath derides Michael bay and in the next praises joss whedon, is just lying to themselves. you just like it because of the name, and what's in it...it's still disaster porn (and age of ultron is the king of the castle in this regard) they don't really have that much substance to them, and it's really about vicarious indulgence. I want to be captain America, or the hulk or batman...and like those guys, I want to get the sexed up hottie at the end. The idea that the male characters are treated with some higher degree of dignity is just laughable. captain America chopping wood...in the tightest shirt known to man.
people who go see these movies want to be the hero in the movies, and part of that is getting the sexy arse chick.
yeah, men will go see aliens, but joss whedon isn't james Cameron or ridley scott.
men will go see tomb raider, because lara croft is sexy and there's action.
men don't want to go see a lena dunham superhero.
this isn't really just about women. I don't remember seeing a superhero who wasn't chiseled and wearing tight clothing. They aren't some pudgy a-hole in blue jeans or sweatpants.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:37 pm to Baloo
quote:and? welcome to reality
rather insulting
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:40 pm to Baloo
quote:black widow...yes. again, our reference point is a shitty summer movie. If she had any real depth or were interesting beyond the fact she kills people (and looks hot doing it) no
I can't enjoy scenes with the Black Widow unless by jimmies are tingling
and you're 100% full of shite, if you think you'd find black widow so entertaining if she were an ugly sloth or wearing a pant suit.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:44 pm to DelU249
Black Widow is very hit and miss in these movies. She was great in Winter Soldier, but wooden in the Iron Man and Avengers films.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:51 pm to Fewer Kilometers
it's not about whether she's cool or kicks arse
in every one of these movies, every single one...and I happen to like a few of them...it is empty nothingness as far as characters. They're bland, formulaic and I suspect that's because they're made to appeal to as many people as possible.
you have to like them on a less than superficial level, and every marvel character is superficial. shite, even the great TDK isn't some great character piece. it's a well made thriller with a great performance.
again, why is it that men will really root for and can't wait to see what happens to ellen ripley (and newt for that matter) James Cameron isn't arthouse, but he makes action movies with characters we care about. Sarah Connor? awesome.
black widow...yeah, she's kind of cool and shoots things, and she's smoking hot. I bet she's crazy in the sack
action movies with females? yes, men will flock to them if they're serious...some action movie churned out of the corporate butthole (increasingly common)...better make her sexy as hell.
in every one of these movies, every single one...and I happen to like a few of them...it is empty nothingness as far as characters. They're bland, formulaic and I suspect that's because they're made to appeal to as many people as possible.
you have to like them on a less than superficial level, and every marvel character is superficial. shite, even the great TDK isn't some great character piece. it's a well made thriller with a great performance.
again, why is it that men will really root for and can't wait to see what happens to ellen ripley (and newt for that matter) James Cameron isn't arthouse, but he makes action movies with characters we care about. Sarah Connor? awesome.
black widow...yeah, she's kind of cool and shoots things, and she's smoking hot. I bet she's crazy in the sack
action movies with females? yes, men will flock to them if they're serious...some action movie churned out of the corporate butthole (increasingly common)...better make her sexy as hell.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:51 pm to DelU249
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the problem is none of them are.
Your opinion if completely worthless if this is what your starting point for critiquing comic movies is.
Just b/c your whiny arse doesn't like them doesn't mean many of them are not well made action films.
Again, you don't need a chicks tits hanging out for men to want to see an action flick. It's just not true and the fact that you seem to think otherwise is just sad.
and yea, if there was a well made action movie staring Lena Dunham, I'd go see it. IDGAF that I wouldn't want to sleep with her. I don't see action movies for the women. I see them for the damn action sequences.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:52 pm to Baloo
quote:oh, so now I'm the sexist...
Just because you objectify women
frick you. you can whine all you want about objectification of women (the men are objectified too), I bet you were creaming in your cargo shorts waiting in line to go see it.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:54 pm to abellsujr
quote:how well did SALT do I forgot
Well, an email leak came out from August of last year that that shows Marvel CEO Ike Perlmutter not too confident about female leads in comic movies
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:56 pm to Dr RC
quote:you do if your soulless and sterile action movie's lead is a female.
you don't need a chicks tits hanging out for men to want to see an action flick
and just like men flock to the idea of perfection (who here doesn't want to look like captain America? why is Arnold schwarzlsdjfskdf a movie star?) women do as well.
I'm not saying all of these movies suck, but all of them are superficial. Do you honestly think even one of these movies is as good as the terminator, alien, die hard...but when this is brought up, "well it's a comic book movie, what do you expect"
ok, chicks are underrepresented and the ones in the movie have ramped up sexuality? It's a comic book movie, what do you expect?
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:58 pm to jeff5891
quote:Was Salt a comic movie?
how well did SALT do I forgot
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:07 pm to DelU249
quote:
I'm not saying all of these movies suck, but all of them are superficial. Do you honestly think even one of these movies is as good as the terminator, alien, die hard...but when this is brought up, "well it's a comic book movie, what do you expect"
IMO? Yea.
Sorry for not having a stick up my arse and liking movies that are fun.
and
at trying to make it a negative that not being as good as some of the most celebrated movies made is some great sin. (and I'd argue that the first Terminator is extremely overrated and really only worth seeing b/c T2 is so badass) It's also pretty damn funny that you stick Alien in there when it's main star is a woman and it doesn't sexualize the shite out of her like you seem to think is necessary.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:08 pm to DelU249
quote:
I'm not saying all of these movies suck, but all of them are superficial. Do you honestly think even one of these movies is as good as the terminator, alien, die hard...but when this is brought up, "well it's a comic book movie, what do you expect"
Dark Knight is certainly as good or better as Terminator or Die Hard. And it's far from superficial.
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