re: Joss Whedon quits Twitter. (Spoilers for Age of Ultron)

People are talking as if he left the country.

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Apparently he had a lot of SJWs after him because of the way the women characters were portrayed in AoU.

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I wonder how they would feel if Widow had appeared shirtless as many times as Cap and Thor have in the MCU?

On a barely related note, here's MCU Cap if Rob Liefeld was involved:

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What is black widow's character? Not her job description, clothing or appearance. Tell me about her character? She doesn't have one

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That's not true at all. In fact, yesterday in the AoU thread, Freaux and I were contrasting the life choices and different value systems of Natasha and Clint, and why she would stick with the team and he wouldn't, based upon those values.

At this point, Natasha is one of the most interesting characters in the MCU, as she's been in so many films and given things to do. She's a character who routinely uses sex, but lacks intimacy, which is what draws her to Banner, a man incapable of sex, but craving and open to intimacy. Also, while Banner is terrified of "the other guy", Natasha can easily reconcile a compartmentalized moster inside your psyche. Because that's her life. She can embrace the monster in a way that not even Banner can accept.

There's also her line in the original film that "love is for children, I owe him a debt" in regards to Hawkeye. From what we can see in AoU, what that debt is is making her a full person. Barton has incorporated her into his family, and made her more than a killing machine. He has helped her re-establish her humanity. Which brings us around to her whole agency/lack of agency issues in the Red Room, which she touched on in her conversations with Banner.

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oh, so now I'm the sexist...

frick you. you can whine all you want about objectification of women (the men are objectified too), I bet you were creaming in your cargo shorts waiting in line to go see it.

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Well, you made an extremely sexist argument. And then projected a sexist attitude onto every man in the world, which is a sexist argument that is somehow offensive to men. We're not all the same, dude.

And I'm not whining about objectification of women. There are plenty of properties that do that just fine, and I'll probably avoid them, but I'm not calling for their cancellation. It's a big world, and I like the diverse viewpoints. You're the one who are upset by the encroachment of women on the traditionally male sphere. Don't worry, Captain Marvel doesn't eliminate the existence of the Punisher. They can both exist and people will choose.

Even the Spider-Women cover, I didn't criticize the artist. That's the art he makes. I criticized Marvel for hiring him to do the cover of the first issue of a title aimed at attracting a bigger female audience. That's what made it so objectionable: the context. But Aja can and should draw his sexy girls for the audience that wants it, ie: not Spider-Woman's. I don't feel that have additional voices eliminates the old ones, it just means there are more voices. And different POV's is good for comics.

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Wake up, we're trying to have a society here

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Speak for yourself. I just want to see a good movie.

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Salt wasn't a super hit or anything, but it made double the budget back.

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i would have used triple. not a super hit but successful in that it made $300,000,000 for a female lead in an action movie.

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But the difference is what I said before. The target audience for SALT was men and woman.

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the film was mainly targeted towards woman.

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Distributor Sony Pictures' exit polling indicated that 53 percent of the audience was female

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from opening weekend. when was the last time an action movie had a higher percentage female than male? the genre will attract men, but it was most certainly "targeted" toward women. anyway a female lead or cast in a comic hero movie will almost certainly pick up a lot of interest from males as well. Just bc of the comic background.

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There will always be more male main characters than female in the comic movie world, but female led movies can be very successful if the right characters are portrayed in the right way.

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If they put enough money into the project to hire a great script writer, director, and female actor, you can almost guarantee that it will make money. This is why i brought up the example of salt. they put money into and it was successful. It wasn't even that great of a script.



the reason the movies listed by the exec failed was bc they were absolutely terrible. hardly any money invested in the project.


Lucy is another example. 40 mil budget made 450 mil. opening weekend split gender audience. though i would say that movie was a lot worse and less money( though i dont think the budget includes marketing), but obviously shows there is a market for female lead action films.

Yes. Part of being a well made movie is caring about the characters

This isnt a denouncement of marvel. They're vicarious entertainment. So is raiders of the lost ark, except the story is a bit more practical and ther is only one main character. There just cant be a team up movie with character depth. You only have so many minutes to do that AND the business of the plot

My point is, men like female heroines, men don't want to be female heroines

Good, and I'm trying to explain to you there is nothing nefarious about the objectification of women in these types of movies. Black widow wouldn't be cool nor would anyone (men or women) want to watch her in a movie if she looked like mama June

Even in his detailed description of what can only sarcastically be called black widow's "character" baloo almost immediately mentions her sex appeal. Because that's what the character is and that's nothing different from the appeal of the male characters.

This SJW shite is complete nonsense.

They don't make the female movies because superheroes overwhelmingly appeal to men. Men don't want to be women. /discussion. They make the characters overloaded with sex appeal because if they didn't neither men or women would want to see them./discussion

There is nothing nefarious at play nor is there some kind of societal ill being reflected through cinema.

If you really wanted to pick a gripe with a portrayl of a female character in a super hero movie, kick arse sexualizes a little girl (to a degree, it's not over the top) worse, the director uses violence to accomplish this.

Now I don't think that's the main appeal. I think it's because you don't expect this little kid to be such an unstoppable killing machine. The fact that she's a girl makes it even cooler

But regardless, they sexed up a 10 year old girl in a movie. Not that I have some problem with it, but why isn't hit girl the basis for this silly argument