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re: I have the disquieting feeling that the GoT TV series is starting to drift
Posted on 5/19/15 at 7:37 am to LoveThatMoney
Posted on 5/19/15 at 7:37 am to LoveThatMoney
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Are we watching the same show and reading the same books? Her dad's beheading and Joffrey's demented behavior didn't take her from being a passive, naive little girl who still harbored fantasies of the white knight riding to her rescue to a grown woman, cold and hard to the world that she needs to be to compete in the Game of Thrones. Littlefinger had started to open her eyes and her psychological torture gave her some flavor of how cold she would have to be, but the final vestige of her innocence has been ripped from her now. There is no more fantasy for her to cling to. She must now do what is necessary to survive and get revenge or she will die. It should be clear as day to her now.
This. It wasn't a pointless scene.
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Posted on 5/19/15 at 7:50 am to prplhze2000
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Winter was a big surprise in the books. Last night it was nonchalantly mentioned that the weather was turning.
They've mentioned it nonchalantly for 5 years now. It'll still come quicker than they expect it
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:14 am to tylerdurden24
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Large swaths of episode are eaten up by the infinitesimal advancement of various plot lines, many of which are deeply boring,
Nailed it. Down vote all you want.
It took me a while to accept how bad the Star Wars prequels were. I'm sure if Tigerdroppings existed in 1999, someone would be getting downvoted for telling the truth.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:20 am to Dam Guide
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Why this is getting so much hate is stupid. With the shite that has been on screen from this show, this is by far nothing really all that terrible by any means, people are just being all SJW about it for some reason.
It has nothing to do with an political bullshite (SJWs, whatever that is). I, as well as others, felt it was unnecessary to have done to Sansa. I didn't feel it moved the plot along any. However, I was shown where that was in error.
Because if
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it is more for the breaking of the Reek character back into Theon
then, I am on board with it. So, I'll save my critique of that until I see what they do with Theon.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:27 am to LoveThatMoney
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There is no more fantasy for her to cling to.
So the previous 27 horrible opportunities didn't give her that epiphany?
In the books, I think it happens after bitch lady is thrown through the hole.
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Also, I don't find Theon a sympathetic character. He has created his own destiny, much like Eddard and Catelyn. Sansa and Arya have had things happen to them. While Arya has decided to take hold of her own destiny, Sansa has yet to do so. Which makes her a less sympathetic character to me.
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 8:31 am
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:33 am to tylerdurden24
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Deadspin nailed it with this write up on last night's episode. Spoilers in the link:
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While I agree with a lot of what they say in that article, it's entirely possible that the controversial scene mentioned involving Theon/Reek and Sansa is meant to show Theon's final breaking point. Up to this point Theon's torture has involved mostly just him; now we will see how he reacts to someone that was once close to him being involved as well. Maybe he will become Theon again and discard Reek for good, who knows.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:43 am to CockHolliday
the gay stuff and the persecution of the gay stuff jumped the shark for me. HBO's agenda shines through.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:47 am to Byron Bojangles III
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It'll still come quicker than they expect it
Phrasing!
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:51 am to PsychTiger
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Phrasing!
Phrasing was as intended
Posted on 5/19/15 at 9:14 am to weagle99
quote:I really hope this season turns around, but it feels like filler for the most part.
I have the disquieting feeling that the GoT TV series is starting to drift
Kings Landing story absolutely kills me. I could care less about the religious group imprisoning the Tyrell's. Tommen's character is cringe worthy.
The build-up of Jaime vs the Sand Snakes was extremely anti-climatic.
I was enjoying the Tyrion / Jorrah plot until they ran into the pirates. Another side story that prolongs the actual storyline.
Jon's story was promising, and I love that he is now Lord Commander, but now that he is north of the wall we can expect some more filler to take away from the actual plot.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 9:35 am to Captain Fantasy
lots of readers in here so just to add my non reader perspective about the story not going anywhere:
many of the characters are searching for each other and i would assume will join storylines someday. so the brienne, boltons, sansa, and stannis stuff will all come to a head soon (one would think). also possibly add in littlefinger and forces from the vale for the aftermath.
the tyrion/jorah storyline sounds like they're headed to mereen and by looks of the season preview a while back my guess is they make it there this season. so not sure what's ahead for dany but i would think it involves any combo of jorah/tyrion/varys.
now i get ayra has been danielsan-ing with the faceless men but it seems her plotline is going to move fwd. a man hopes.
the wall is going to seem to have to deal with teaming up with the wildlings vs the greater evil.
and king's landing is basically it's own shitstorm every week anyway.
i dunno, while the fight scene in dorne sucked and most of the dorne stuff has been unimpressive (especially when you have a frame of reference with how awesome oberyn was). the shitty fight however did merge the jamie/bronn storyline with the sand snakes/doran/elyria sand (sp?) stuff.
basically i'm saying i definitely don't feel as if the series is wandering so much more like it's in transit.
but i have very little to no knowledge of what's upcoming for any of the plot lines so maybe i'm mistaken on some/all of these.
many of the characters are searching for each other and i would assume will join storylines someday. so the brienne, boltons, sansa, and stannis stuff will all come to a head soon (one would think). also possibly add in littlefinger and forces from the vale for the aftermath.
the tyrion/jorah storyline sounds like they're headed to mereen and by looks of the season preview a while back my guess is they make it there this season. so not sure what's ahead for dany but i would think it involves any combo of jorah/tyrion/varys.
now i get ayra has been danielsan-ing with the faceless men but it seems her plotline is going to move fwd. a man hopes.
the wall is going to seem to have to deal with teaming up with the wildlings vs the greater evil.
and king's landing is basically it's own shitstorm every week anyway.
i dunno, while the fight scene in dorne sucked and most of the dorne stuff has been unimpressive (especially when you have a frame of reference with how awesome oberyn was). the shitty fight however did merge the jamie/bronn storyline with the sand snakes/doran/elyria sand (sp?) stuff.
basically i'm saying i definitely don't feel as if the series is wandering so much more like it's in transit.
but i have very little to no knowledge of what's upcoming for any of the plot lines so maybe i'm mistaken on some/all of these.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 10:17 am to SaintEB
I see a lot of people thinking that the rape scene is the moment that Reek finally hits his breaking point. Well if you look at the positioning of the characters, Ramsay has his back to him but Reek still watches. He could have closed his eyes but he didn't, so he's still very much under Ramsay's control.
I wouldn't be surprised if Sansa tells Reek her plans and then Reek rats her out to Ramsay. Then we'll get a Sansa torture scene to show that Ramsay is a bad man.
I wouldn't be surprised if Sansa tells Reek her plans and then Reek rats her out to Ramsay. Then we'll get a Sansa torture scene to show that Ramsay is a bad man.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 10:23 am to Stonehog
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Sansa tells Reek her plans and then Reek rats her out
I don't think Sansa will be telling Theon anything, judging by how she treated him while being escorted to the white wedding.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 10:23 am to Stonehog
quote:Would be moronic for Sansa to trust Theon. Not a book reader here. I could see Theon killing Ramsay and then having an "oh shite, what have I done?!?" moment.
I wouldn't be surprised if Sansa tells Reek her plans and then Reek rats her out to Ramsay.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 10:26 am to Jimbeaux28
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I don't think Sansa will be telling Theon anything, judging by how she treated him while being escorted to the white wedding.
In the scenes from next week it shows her telling Reek that she still has friends in the North. With the way this show has been going, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Reek tells Ramsay and then he flays Sansa.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 10:26 am to blueboy
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Well, Davos told him to stick to the coast, and Dragonstone is an island, so he's probably just been rowing around in circles this whole time.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 10:31 am to weagle99
I think the show should take a Clash of the Titans-type turn, get the gods involved, and somebody should release the Kraken and demolish everything and everybody about that overstuffed and haughty program.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 11:18 am to alajones
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So the previous 27 horrible opportunities didn't give her that epiphany?
Apparently fricking not! I mean seriously. This isn't up for debate. Until this scene (unless she doesn't learn from it at all at which point I will wholeheartedly agree with you that it was a pointless scene and the show has devolved into smut), Sansa has been waiting for her white knight. While with Joffrey, she had to wait for the drunken knight to free her and eventually for someone else to kill him. She didn't act. She was passive in every way. Then Littlefinger took her. Passive. Then Littlefinger killed her aunt who was batshit. Passive. Then Littlefinger started to use her to manipulate his hold on Robin. Passive. Little by little, Littlefinger has taught her subterfuge because he needs someone who doesn't see the world through veiled eyes. She is (or was) gaining the tools necessary to play the Game of Thrones. Meanwhile, Littlefinger is still using her to gather power and for, you know, a placeholder for her mother whom he loved. So she is still rather passive...
Until we get to this scene where her passivity, her reliance on others for protection, results in the ultimate violation of her physical self. IF she doesn't learn from this scene to become assertive now that she has some of the tools necessary; IF she doesn't learn from this scene that to combat the evils she sees all around, she cannot sit and wait for a white knight; IF the veil is lifted from her eyes, THEN it will be perhaps the most important and pivotal scene in the show this season.
Given that the previews for next week showed her talking with Theon about still having friends in the North, I would imagine that she begins scheming immediately to rid herself of the worst villain in Westeros.
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In the books, I think it happens after bitch lady is thrown through the hole.
Sansa has yet to fully assert herself in the books. She remains in the Eyrie learning from Baelish about the finer points of courtly subterfuge and intrigue. She is beginning to see the strings that pull the puppets. She is still, quite creepily, at the relative whims of Littlefinger.
Bottom line is that I imagine the showrunners thought:
"Okay, we need Sansa to figure it the frick out. Otherwise, she's boring and just a mountain of pathos."
"Let's have her kill Ramsay."
"Perfect. How?"
"With a filet knife."
"Wonderful, but how does she get from being the little girl who needed everyone else to save her to being the grown woman that can stand up to such a monumental evil? An evil so great, that Theon has broken utterly under his will?"
"Well, she marries him and, you know, he's Ramsay. So he does something to her."
"Like what? Rape?"
"... Yeah that could be a trigger point."
"That's horrible."
"But it's interesting."
"Let's write it. O you know what else? This could be the point where the bonds holding Theon to Ramsay break as well, just like with Jeyne."
"Perfect."
Boom.
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 11:28 am
Posted on 5/19/15 at 11:19 am to prplhze2000
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Winter was a big surprise in the books. Last night it was nonchalantly mentioned that the weather was turning.
Man they've been talking about how 'Winter is Coming' since Season 1.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 11:33 am to SaintEB
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It has nothing to do with an political bullshite (SJWs, whatever that is). I, as well as others, felt it was unnecessary to have done to Sansa. I didn't feel it moved the plot along any. However, I was shown where that was in error.
A lot of it does, people have been saying this shouldn't happen as soon as they started with this Bolton/Sansa story line and no one knows if it will have a point or not yet to a wider plot line because the entire story line isn't in the books with Sansa. It's SJW outrage at it's finest.
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 11:33 am
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