re: GoT "Middle Ground" Thread - Between Seasons Edition ***Spoilers Possible***

Perhaps the Mad King raped a red priestess like Melisandra and then his shadow baby raped Tyrion's mother.

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we only find out when Tyrion interacts with the dragons?

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That's exactly how we find out. Hopefully this Sunday!

Well dragonstone to Braavos is only about 90 miles. If people from cuba can get to america on a life raft, Gendry can get to Braavos.

I said relatively.

Robert traveled all the damn way to Winterfell to ask Ned to be his hand which is at least twice as far away as Casterly Rock and it took him a month.

I would think Joanna could get there in 10-12 days.

Not really that far relatively.

They do call it the narrow sea

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They do call it the narrow sea

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Well then if you look at the map, King's Landing and Casterly rock are similar in distance from Dragonstone and Braavos.

On horseback, you could make that trip in 3 days. In a carriage, it wouldn't even be a week.

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But what if Tywin had no proof and we only find out when Tyrion interacts with the dragons?

That would make their relationship make sense.

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To me character relationships are more important to me than plot points. It cheapens their relationship and just turns Tywin into the Evil Stepmother. It's not interesting to me that Aerys rapes Joanna and this leads to her death and Tyrion's birth. It's interesting to me that this is Tywin's spawn, and how horrible he treats his own flesh and blood. Really, if Tyrion wasn't born a dwarf, while I think Tywin would have still been bitter at him, he would not have treated him horribly and would have become his favored son.

Plus it lets Tyrion completely off the hook for murdering his own father. And what does being Aerys son add to Tyrion's arc? He wouldn't care, maybe only slightly when he thinks how Jaime would take the news. At least if Jaime and Cersei are Aerys children it actually adds something. All it does with Tyrion is cheapen his relationship with his father and somehow make him ride dragons. It is the worst theory by the fans.

Oberyn told Tyrion that when Princess of Dorne received word that Joanna was with child the Royal family of Dorne set off the Castley Rock, to join the two houses(Jamie & Elia and Cersi with Oberyn). Tyrion was born and Joanna was dead prior to their arrival.


Joanna timeline-
-Went to King's Landing 259
-Married Tywin in KL 263
-Sent from King's Landing a few months later, "rarely returned"
-Twins were born in 266,
-Tywin, Aerys, Prince Rhaegar, and half the court went to the Westerlands in 267 AC, where they would remain for most of next year
-272 Joanna attend a tourney with Tywin, Mad King insults her by asking if her breast have sagged due to the twins, Tywin was infuriated almost resigns as Hand. Returns his family to the Rock.
-273 servant catches Jamie and Cersi screwing, tells Joanna this occurred at Castley Rock, right after Tywin returned to the Capital
-later that year she dies in childbirth

I find it easier to believe that Cersei and Jamie are Targs, simply for the fact that they are older so the time table lines up better, and the fact that they like incest just like Targs, and Ser Barristan said that the Mad King took some liberties on Tywin and Joanna's wedding night (which would line up more with Cersei and Jamie). I think it would make for a far better story if the two children Tywin actually loved were not actually his own, yet the child he hate was his only true child.

But you aren't alone in hoping that Tyrion is a Targ.