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Birdman: a good litmus test

Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:40 pm
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:40 pm
To gauge your artsy-fartsy threshold for judging movies.

Acting was great, characters and development was great.

But to me, it just didn't go anywhere. I'm more of an adventure, action, drama fan so I guess it's just subjective but I kept waiting, hoping for something to happen.

Perhaps I was expecting something different.
Posted by yankeeundercover
Buffalo, NY
Member since Jan 2010
36373 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:42 pm to
The trailer looked interesting.. I started a streaming copy and it buffered and I paused and never started it back up.

I'll follow this thread and if it trends upward and if it does, I'll revisit.
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
39730 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:47 pm to
It got too cute with the ending.

I loved the pacing. Felt the pacing was almost a character. I could really feel his desperation to make it work.

Stone was great in that scene where she destroys him, then realizes she went too far.

Not sure how anyone was expecting more. A quick synopsis of the movie tell you all you need to know.

All of the actors were top notch. God I hated that pompous bitch critic. She needed Atia of the Julii to take her down another peg.
This post was edited on 2/10/15 at 4:49 pm
Posted by DanglingFury
Living the dream
Member since Dec 2007
20449 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:53 pm to
It was really unique right up until the ending which made no sense, and wasn't earned in any way.
Posted by HumbleNinja
Ann Arbor
Member since Jan 2011
2997 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 5:05 pm to
I am still not sure what to make of the ending and how it affects my overall opinion of the movie, but I really enjoyed the rest of the movie.
Posted by weedGOKU666
THE 'COLA
Member since Jan 2013
3736 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 5:43 pm to
I was a big fan of the "one long, continuous shot" style it had going on. The ending was fine. One of the better movies of last year.
Posted by Superior Pariah
Member since Jun 2009
8457 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 5:50 pm to
quote:

Perhaps I was expecting something different.


Sounds like you were hoping for more of the same.
Posted by LfcSU3520
Arizona
Member since Dec 2003
24466 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 6:27 pm to
quote:

But to me, it just didn't go anywhere


right there with you

maybe I just didn't get it, but it just felt like so much work for who knows what

liked the continuous shot idea, but the jazz score was overdone and really distracting

what the hell was the point of getting Mike together with the daughter? That was a lot of glib conversation we watched for seemingly no reason
Posted by flvelo12
Palm Harbor, Florida
Member since Jan 2012
3318 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 6:32 pm to
quote:

Stone was great in that scene where she destroys him, then realizes she went too far


Probably one of my favorite scenes last year. Birdman & Whiplash both have extraordinary acting performances.
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 11:46 pm to
quote:

maybe I just didn't get it, but it just felt like so much work for who knows what

Exactly. It's like, I knew it had merit, but that wasn't enough to make me like it.

It's like a chick you date and you feel like you're supposed to like her more but you just don't. Kinda.
Posted by Melvin
Member since Apr 2011
23535 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 11:55 pm to
I don't get how people think it went nowhere or nothing happened. What would you have preferred to see happen?
Posted by yurintroubl
Dallas, Tx.
Member since Apr 2008
30164 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 11:58 pm to
Birdman is the only movie I've ever seen besides Highlander where, during my first viewing, I found myself eagerly anticipating scene transitions.

Bram Stoker's Dracula (Gary Oldman version) had some pretty good transitions as well...but didn't really grab me the first time through in the same way.
Posted by DallasTiger11
Los Angeles
Member since Mar 2004
11809 posts
Posted on 2/11/15 at 3:08 am to
quote:

I don't get how people think it went nowhere or nothing happened. What would you have preferred to see happen?

I don't either, and this type of criticism is becoming very prevalent on this board. This was a character driven movie and plenty happened with Michael Keaton's character. That is something happening. Are people going into every movie now expecting this epic action/adventure story?
Posted by lsufan9193969700
3 miles from B.R.
Member since Sep 2003
55113 posts
Posted on 2/11/15 at 5:20 am to
The ending was purely figurative and made perfect sense.

Are you serious, Clark?
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:13 am to
quote:

I don't get how people think it went nowhere or nothing happened. What would you have preferred to see happen?

I thought I was clear that I don't really fault the movie, it is what it is and has many great things.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
37000 posts
Posted on 2/16/15 at 10:14 pm to
I watched Birdman last night.

I thought it was good. Very well acted and I liked the story. Like many movies, the ending didn't suit me, but I'm used to that.

In my artsy-fartsy threshold for judging movies, I think it was a very good movie. Exponentially better than most of the crap movies that are green-lighted and made today. The story captures that. Michael Keaton as lead nails it for RL and in the film.
Posted by DanglingFury
Living the dream
Member since Dec 2007
20449 posts
Posted on 2/16/15 at 10:18 pm to
quote:

The ending was purely figurative and made perfect sense.

Are you serious, Clark?


I'm willing to listen to any theory you have that would sell me on the ending.
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
39730 posts
Posted on 2/16/15 at 10:38 pm to
It's funny how some people are 100% certain of the ending.



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1. He dies on the stage. This makes no sense but some people are positive this is what happens and the hospital scene is the final pistons firing in his brain.

2. He survives but dies after jumping out the window. I don't buy this at all. Why would his daughter not freak out if he is dead on the street? The people who believe this theory claim she snapped upon seeing him dead and entered the same style of fantasy life that he was living. Her brain tried to protect her by making her think he was flying.

3. Same as he did the whole movie, he thinks he is using his birdman powers but in real life he is climbing up a fire escape. This is the most plausible explanation. We already saw him jump once before and he didn't die.

4. The Being There Theory. No longer tethered by the weight of his doubts, he actually flies away similar to Chauncey walking on water.

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What I love is how CERTAIN people are about the ending. Sure.

This post was edited on 2/16/15 at 10:46 pm
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
37000 posts
Posted on 2/16/15 at 11:05 pm to
My take:

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IMO: You end this movie with him on stage giving the final monologue with the gun in his hand. Done.

I would have cut the scene of him putting bullets into the gun and the drowning dream discussion. It was already building up to a does he kill himself opening night scenario.

Being a character driven story, it should have just faded to black. Shooting nose off, disappearing through hospital window, daughter looking into sky with surprise - all unnecessary.

That's my only issue with the movie. Otherwise, I thought it was a very good story with well developed characters. Not every movie needs some twist ending, just let it be. IMO.

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Posted by DanglingFury
Living the dream
Member since Dec 2007
20449 posts
Posted on 2/16/15 at 11:17 pm to
SPOILERS....SPOILERS...SPOILERS....












quote:

4. The Being There Theory. No longer tethered by the weight of his doubts, he actually flies away similar to Chauncey walking on water.


That's the closest thing to what I believe the director/writer wants it to be portrayed as, but it's just weak. The movie is squarely in our world, and then he's just gonna go and visibly fly off? Sure, ok...why not.
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