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re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Trailer (Spoilers after page 8)
Posted on 4/19/15 at 3:34 pm to Breesus
Posted on 4/19/15 at 3:34 pm to Breesus
Interesting. I feel like comics/super heroes are totally inaccessible to me now. There's a billion of them, and I have no idea what canon even means in comic book terms, and there's too many characters, and I'd need every day to be 48 hours long to try to catch up on all that shite.
Also, that's DEFINITELY Neil Degrasse Tyson talking in the trailer.
Also, that's DEFINITELY Neil Degrasse Tyson talking in the trailer.
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Posted on 4/19/15 at 3:36 pm to FT
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I feel like comics/super heroes are totally inaccessible to me now.
That's not true. But it is hard to get into i suppose.
quote:
There's a billion of them, and I have no idea what canon even means in comic book terms, and there's too many characters, and I'd need every day to be 48 hours long to try to catch up on all that shite.
First of all, frick canon. I hate that word and i don't care about it. If it's entertaining, then enjoy it.
But you dont need to catch up on everything. Pick a story line or a hero and just start reading. There are plenty of people on this board who would be happy to give you suggestions.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 3:39 pm to Breesus
quote:Every time I try to pick one to get into, it turns out I should be reading something from before that. It's just way too confusing.
But it is hard to get into i suppose.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 3:40 pm to FT
quote:Do you get the concept of Iron Man vs Thor, Hulk, and Captain America?
I really don't get the concept of Batman vs. Superman.
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 4/19/15 at 3:42 pm to RollTide1987
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A lot of assumptions in the above post. If you have to assume then chalk it up to lazy writing. What's that famous line?
"Don't tell me. Show me."
None of the above examples show me anything. They just sound like excuses in an attempt to explain away logical fallacies.
The only one that I'm really making an assumption that takes a leap is the Winter Soldier being on the right street to nail Fury.
Other than that, I see nothing that doesn't make logical sense.
For the Mandarin bit, Trevor flat out states to Tony Stark that he was given plastic surgery when he was hired by Killian. If they gave him plastic surgery it could only be for two reasons. One, to make him look like the actual Mandarin (who is real according to the One Shot released w/the Thor 2 bluray) or two, to make sure that nobody recognized who Trevor was. Either way, if you listen to him ramble he does say he's had surgery on his face.
For the Loki bit I don't see how one could think potential other soldiers in the room could stop Loki if he was able to take out Odin. Either he killed/captured them too or they now serve him. Hiding Odin shouldn't be an issue since Loki can make people see things that aren't there. Hell, Thor thinks he is dead simply based off of Loki's power of illusion and he was standing right there when Loki "died". I know Loki loves to call Thor a brainless oaf but it stands to reason that if he can fool people into thinking he is dead it wouldn't be difficult to hide Odin.
Finally, for the GotG issue with the batteries... Again, THEY ARE IN SPACE. They can travel planet to planet w/relative ease. They have mining operations inside the rotting carcasses of dead celestial beings. One of the main characters is a talking racoon that was experimented on by crazed scientists. There were all kinds of energy based weapons and devices all over that movie. It would be ridiculous to think Starlord couldn't find somebody to rig his Walkman up w/a power source w/all the different technology he encounters on various worlds.
As for the Winter Soldier and Fury, well, that is the toughest to swallow by far. But that pretty much happens in all action movies w/either the good guy or bay guy being in the right place at the right time. Even with that moment, that isn't enough of a bad one to drag the full movie down. It isn't near as ridiculous as Lois being the super sleuth that can figure out who Clark is when she has essentially the exact same info as the military. MOS even has a silly moment that outdoes the lucky coincidence thing in WS w/Supes and Zod flying into space to fight and then somehow landing (w/space debris) right back on top of Metropolis close enough that Lois can somehow show right up at the station to watch Supes kill Zod.
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 4/19/15 at 3:48 pm to FT
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Every time I try to pick one to get into, it turns out I should be reading something from before that. It's just way too confusing.
I can understand that. Graphic Novels might be a better way to go.
I don't get bothered by missing some backstory. Just think of it as watching a movie, and then a prequal being made. Read a cominc book you like then go back and read the prequals.
You could always do something fun like start at Ep 1 of a hero you like.
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 4/19/15 at 3:55 pm to Breesus
I might try that.
Also, Batman has a sniper rifle in the shot on top of the building.
wat
Also, Batman has a sniper rifle in the shot on top of the building.
wat
Posted on 4/19/15 at 3:56 pm to FT
It could be a number of things besides an actual gun.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 3:58 pm to abellsujr
Like what?
Posted on 4/19/15 at 3:58 pm to FT
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Batman has a sniper rifle in the shot on top of the building.
Not necessarily a Sniper Rife. Could be a telescope, tactical gun, tranqu darts, explosives to gain entry, maybe just using the sniper scope to check things out, high frequency emitter to mess with electronics, control device for a robot, etc...
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 4/19/15 at 4:02 pm to FT
quote:LINK
In that seminal '80s minseries, the success of which contributed significantly to Tim Burton deciding to make 1989's Batman and the now 25 years of nonstop dominance that the character has had in non-comics media, featured a memorable sequence where Batman is watching Two Face with a rifle and a giant scope. While it seems if you glance quickly at it he's preparing to use the rifle to snipe an enemy, instead when he deploys it, it fires a high-powered grappling line.
The fact that so much of the movie is drawn from The Dark Knight Returns nearly guarantees that a Batman standing high above the city and brandishing a rifle rather than a handgun is using it for this purpose.
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 4/19/15 at 4:11 pm to FT
DP
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 4/19/15 at 4:11 pm to FT
I'm not sure if you're fishing or if you are actually interested in some answers. I would be glad to help you understand the trailer and the movie a little better if that's what you want.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 4:22 pm to abellsujr
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I'm not sure if you're fishing or if you are actually interested in some answers.
The poster currently known as FT is usually a straight shooter. Probably just generally curious. Which is why i've been responding seriously and not sarcastically.
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 4/19/15 at 4:34 pm to Breesus
I'm not fishing. Everything I know about super heroes is from other people talking about them, a couple wikipedia articles, and the Batman cartoon I watched when I was a kid in the 90's.
I'm really interested in this cause the trailer was so intriguing, and I liked that it looks like Superman has tons of scrutiny and mistrust, and I've always thought people loved Superman too much in that universe. This take is a little too dark to me, but closer to how I could see things working in real life.
I'm really interested in this cause the trailer was so intriguing, and I liked that it looks like Superman has tons of scrutiny and mistrust, and I've always thought people loved Superman too much in that universe. This take is a little too dark to me, but closer to how I could see things working in real life.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 4:35 pm to Breesus
No worries. I'm hearing a lot of people talk about how it's possible for Batman to compete with Superman by merely wearing a metal suit. There is some information out there that suggest that there is a good reason for why Superman can not just crush Batman's suit. I will give a spoilers warning for those that don't want to know.
SPOILERS***********
So essentially it's the same concept of Man of Steel. Kryptonian materials weaken Superman. Batman gets his hands on some and makes a suit out of it. Much like Iron Man's suit is made out of a special metal.
SPOILERS***********
quote:LINK
While Batman doesn't have the incredible superpowers that Superman gets as a result of Earth's yellow sun, the reason he stands a chance in a one-on-one battle is because of his smarts. Bruce Wayne doesn't have laser vision and he can't fly, but he can build a kick-arse suit covered in the special alien material that weakens his opponent. And that's exactly what the Dark Knight reportedly does in Zack Snyder's upcoming Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice.
So essentially it's the same concept of Man of Steel. Kryptonian materials weaken Superman. Batman gets his hands on some and makes a suit out of it. Much like Iron Man's suit is made out of a special metal.
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 4/19/15 at 4:36 pm to FT
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the Batman cartoon I watched when I was a kid in the 90's.
I just started re-watching. It's available on Amazon Instant. I started a thread about it the other day.
It holds up remarkably well, and is still better than anything else batman related ever put on film/TV.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 4:36 pm to abellsujr
quote:See, my conception of his grappling hook is and always will be this:
While it seems if you glance quickly at it he's preparing to use the rifle to snipe an enemy, instead when he deploys it, it fires a high-powered grappling line.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 4:38 pm to abellsujr
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There is some information out there that suggest that there is a good reason for why Superman can not just crush Batman's suit. I will give a spoilers warning for those that don't want to know.
or for those who have never read the comics.
Good lord. We officially have a Hodor v non-hodor problem with comic book movies now.
What will the non-comic book readers call themselves?
Posted on 4/19/15 at 4:38 pm to FT
It's kind of suppose to be a shocking moment in the comic. We see Batman with a gun! Oh no! Then it turns out to be a grappling hook. That's the concept.
That's the concept.
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