re: Arrow Season 4 Mega Thread (Never go full Guggenheim)

Yep

No felicity until 53 mins

No Laural crying until 56 minute

I've gotten to the point where I just read a spoiler synopsis after each episode bc I can't bare to sit through it anymore.


Guggen said that we wouldn't even find out what Laurel said to Oliver until season 5. Enough is enough.

I'm pissed.

Granted Earth-2 Laurel is making an appearance on The Flash here in the next few weeks so maybe that's how they will circumvent the whole "permanently dead" thing the producers have going on.

Killing off Laurel is about the only thing that could have given me pause to think about giving up on the show. If Earth-2 Laurel doesn't somehow come in and replace her, I think I might peace out after Season 4 concludes.

This was the perfect moment to kill off a character like Felicity or Thea. The producers responded by killing off the Black Canary.

Stupid mistake IMO.

Yep...and reading the interview with Guggenheim about how they never were going to revisit that story line after season one, I'm now confident in saying that I'm done with the show. Arrow has been a fun ride for me but Laurel Lance was an untouchable for me and I can't forgive the showrunners for killing her off. I'll watch The Flash but I am done with Arrow.

Well that was certainly lame, though I did laugh my arse off at Laurel telling Oliver, with her dying breaths, that she hoped he and Felicity would work it out. Like Obi-Wan Kenobi I could hear the screams and feel the anger of comic book fans all across the internet.

And jesus what moron thought it was a good idea to just have her all of a sudden flat line off screen like that? I never liked Laurel and felt absolutely nothing from her death but jeez atleast send her off in a better composed shot.

At this point they need to burn it all down and start fresh or just let the show die after next season. Either way though I think I'm done with the Arrowverse.

The big problem, and they have had it all through the series run, is that the people behind Arrow cannot write for the romantic female lead worth a shite.

In the first season or so they were trying to set up Dinah as the romantic lead and people hated the character with a passion. Meanwhile EBR's Felicity was allowed to just be a funny, quirky, character and was easily the most beloved person on the series.

So they switch the romantic lead focus to Felicity and move Dinah down in the pecking order... Felicity is now despised and everyone loved Dinah.

Its clearly not the fault of the actresses, both have turned in good work on the series when they weren't cursed with the Doom of being the romantic lead. Even if the series brings back Loitz to play Black Canary she'd be just as hosed if they move her to the romantic lead.

Its a damn shame to lose Cassidy, particularly since her and the rest of the cast seem to adore one another off camera, but in a way she's lucky. Unlike Rickards she won't be stuck with the thankless task of being the worst written character on TV.

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I think people started hating Laurel when they turned her into an alcoholic in season 2 then had her beating up the league of assassins after only a couple weeks worth of kickboxing lessons.

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That didn't help any I will admit. Arrow has gotten stale and I don't think its the actors fault. I think its time to consider shaking up the writing staff and producers.

Just when I started turning the corner on Laurel, this happens. I just don't know anymore. I wish it was Diggle, I hate that "deep whisper" style of talking he does, and the helmet is atrocious.

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and the helmet is atrocious.

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Cisco is making him a new one.