re: Another Star Wars: Doesn't episode 7 nullify Anakin/Vader as "The Chosen One" ?

Yep. I can buy that the prophecy didn't mean forever but, judging by Episode 7 it didn't last much longer than a week.

Fortunately it looks like the new movies are taking an original trilogy view of the Force.

I think they're leaning heavily on the whole, "THEY USE RED LIGHTSABERS, THEY WEAR BLACK, THEY USE THE DARK SIDE OF THE FORCE, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY SITH" thing.

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"THEY USE RED LIGHTSABERS, THEY WEAR BLACK, THEY USE THE DARK SIDE OF THE FORCE, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY SITH"

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Well, none of those things make you sith. If they are continuing the direction from TCW and stuff like that, there is much more than just Jedi and Sith, those are but two factions of force users. Ren and Snoke are a new faction (as far as we know without knowing who Snoke really is). You aren't a Sith because you align with the dark side, and you aren't a Jedi aligning with the light.

That's fair enough. Not that it really matters one way or another. The existence of Sith doesn't necessarily make the force unbalanced.

anakins destiny was to kill the Dark Overlord, Palpatine, the Sith lord.

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Any Jedi can still turn to the Dark Side. Doesn't necessarily make them Sith, it just means there is a light and a dark side.

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Much like the Krath were.

Like I said before..IMO the whole prophecy thing is just poorly written prequel shenanigans. That out of the way, this is how I understand it according to Lucas and Star Wars canon:

The prophecy's origins are unknown, but the Jedi Order take a Jedi-centric view of the prophecy and interpret it through the lens of Jedi belief.

The Jedi view themselves as caretakers of the Force. They believe that they flow with the Force's natural flow, and in doing so they believe they serve the Force rather than manipulating the Force into something unnatural. They believe that manipulating the Force in that manner - twisting and bending it to serve yourself - is destructive and damaging to the Force itself. They recognize that the Force has a naturally destructive side to it like a wild fire - the dark side. They believe that the dark side is so destructive and unwieldy that allowing the Force's natural destructive elements to flow through them is a sure path to the unnatural twisting of the Force which is destructive to it. So because of this, they attempt to purge themselves of anything that could tempt them into using the destructive side of the Force.



The Sith of course basically believe themselves to be gods and believe they are entitled to twist the Force however they deem fit to amass power and subjugate others. The Jedi can feel this disturbance in the nature of the Force and believe it to be an unnatural perversion of the Force. They believe it puts it out of balance and that the prophecy therefore means that the chosen one will destroy the Sith so that the Force can be restored to its natural state.

TLDR: According to Lucas/Star Wars canon, "balance to the Force" is something metaphysical dealing with the innate nature of the Force itself, not a literal balance of the number of Jedi and Sith.

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Like I said before..IMO the whole prophecy thing is just poorly written prequel shenanigans. That out of the way, this is how I understand it according to Lucas and Star Wars canon: The prophecy's origins are unknown, but the Jedi Order take a Jedi-centric view of the prophecy and interpret it through the lens of Jedi belief. The Jedi view themselves as caretakers of the Force. They believe that they flow with the Force's natural flow, and in doing so they believe they serve the Force rather than manipulating the Force into something unnatural. They believe that manipulating the Force in that manner - twisting and bending it to serve yourself - is destructive and damaging to the Force itself. They recognize that the Force has a naturally destructive side to it like a wild fire - the dark side. They believe that the dark side is so destructive and unwieldy that allowing the Force's natural destructive elements to flow through them is a sure path to the unnatural twisting of the Force which is destructive to it. So because of this, they attempt to purge themselves of anything that could tempt them into using the destructive side of the Force. The Sith of course basically believe themselves to be gods and believe they are entitled to twist the Force however they deem fit to amass power and subjugate others. The Jedi can feel this disturbance in the nature of the Force and believe it to be an unnatural perversion of the Force. They believe it puts it out of balance and that the prophecy therefore means that the chosen one will destroy the Sith so that the Force can be restored to its natural state. TLDR: According to Lucas/Star Wars canon, "balance to the Force" is something metaphysical dealing with the innate nature of the Force itself, not a literal balance of the number of Jedi and Sith.

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The force itself does not distinguish between light and dark though.

As for the prophecy, in the EU, Jedi Master Arca Jeth was the first to speak of it. One must also take into account that this was during the Sith Wars where the dark side far outnumbered the light. This probably gave rise to the belief that the chosen one would favor the light side.

Of course with the Disney acquisition, all of that has gone. We now know basically nothing about the force or its history of users.

Going solely off the movies, there is no way to determine any of this. We don't even know that Anakin was the chosen one the prophecy was about as most of the Jedi counsel didn't even want him trained. One could argue that balance did mean destroying the dark side and if the movies had ended after RotJ, Vader/Anakin would have fullfilled that prophecy. We now know there are at least two dark Jedi with TFA so that means the dark side didn't end with the Emperor.

You can also make a case for what I believe. In that Vader did balance the force by killing almost all the light side Jedi basically leaving just a few on both sides.

I have not seen the latest film but it's my understanding that the force is being seen as a type of religion in it. Is this true?

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The only Sith in any of the movies was Darth Maul. The rest were just dark force disciples.

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You talking racially? Maul was a Zabrak.

The Sith race looks like this:



As far as the Sith Order? Sidious is a trained sith, which makes Vader a trained sith. I think Tyrannus is trained as a sith