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re: AMC's The Killing
Posted on 6/20/11 at 7:33 pm to OBUDan
Posted on 6/20/11 at 7:33 pm to OBUDan
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Well it seems you are more upset it didn't go the way you wanted/expected than anything.
It didn't live up the potential that I saw in the pilot which is not quite the same thing as it didn't do what I thought/wanted it was going to do. Season 3 of Breaking Bad just constantly subverted viewer expectations about the course of the show and it was incredible. The Killing just used misdirection over and over again.
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I see it as a living investigation. Most cop shows don't really do the investigation justice, right? They leap around from event to event and you are just left to assume they figured out the necessary clues. I felt like The Killing took you through the process of actually investigating better than any show I've seen (note: I haven't see Homicide: Life of the Streets, which is supposedly the grand master of police procedurals). I felt like I was part of the investigation, rather than watching some people bully a couple of assailants and solving the crime through some abstract wit.
Had I not seen The Wire and Homicide (and read the book it was based on) I might have been able to take the the police investigation seriously. Having seen them, Linden and Holder were just not good police. Which sure is odd because they are assigned to the red ball to end all red balls. Pretty white teenage girl killed with a connection to a huge political campaign. They then proved their incompetentence by not looking into the car or fully canvassing the murder scene for 2 weeks. Furthermore, the show then insults the intelligence of the audience again by letting them barely have to try to get a wire tap up and running and then bulling some guy at the isp to give them all the information they need about a high class escort service.
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I'm not sure what this means, but sure, it's their story, they can tell it like they want. Just because it didn't proceed they wanted most expected/wanted doesn't mean it was bad, per se.
Deus ex machina plot conviences is not good storytelling. You can get away with it maybe once or twice but when it beoomes a weekly thing it just bad writing.
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The campaign was weak, I do agree there. But I do find Richmond interesting, as well as the mayor, as well as the power donor, and they all play some sort of sordid role in this deal.
I just profoundly do not like Richmond and the way they portrayed the campaign was just shamefully bad. I do not find him to be in anyway a credible politician. He seems to be able to win a campaign for mayor of a major american city by staring out of a window in his rediculusly posh campaign office.
It doesn't help that I recently just finished watching Season 4 of The Wire that has Carcetti's campain for mayor of Baltimore in it.
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See, we reacted entirely differently. Let me be clear: I Do not love this show. In fact, I was rather lukewarm to it most of the season. The finale made me actually like it a lot more. Why? Well, rather than putting a nice bow on it and moving along like all of life is happy and good, they take you down a different, and unexpected path. I found the idea of following a single murder to be retread and tired... but when it's revealed that this is actually a much deeper, layered story about corruption/deceit, it became a lot more compelling to me, personally.
I just don't believe they set up a foundation for a more layered story about deciet and corruption.
This show is no Terriers. They just went that way because it was one more way to pull the rug out from under the audience. Don't get me wrong, I do like shows that surprize and challenge me. But this doesn't as it is just all surface plot that zigs and zags for no discernable reason from the audiences perspective.
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But yes, I do see why people would hate it if they just wanted the typical murder, investigation, solve the crime, happiness type of plot.
It is not about wanting a more typical murder investigation it is just that a more typical murder investigation would have been a better show than that shite that we were provided. I get the desire to want to buck the convention of the police purcedural (of course that was pretty much already done by The Wire but whatever) but what you put it its place has to be interesting as it stands and I don't think the Killing managed that.
I was done with this show going into the season finale. I was sticking it out to find out who kill Rosie Larson because I had already spent 12 hours on it. Not giving me that resolution was just a dick move.
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Regardless of the quality of the police work (and there were a lot of questionable details I agree), to me it put you in the investigation better than other show. Not saying it was necessarily some flawless inside look at police work, but I felt like I was part of an investigation rather than watching a couple of stereotypical cops do the good/cop bad cop interviews, finding a piece of clothing and calling it a day.
I think we just disagree with that. Being better than your run of the mill CBS cop drama is not the same thing as standing up against the best shows in the genre especially one as common as the police procedural.
This post was edited on 6/20/11 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 6/20/11 at 7:42 pm to glaucon
I've thought about the ending more today and I've got to say I've come around on it. The potential story lines will be worth the wait vs. what we would have expected with the real killer being brought to justice at the end of season 1.
Posted on 6/20/11 at 10:11 pm to NIH
I'm surprised so many here are defending the finale. Needless to say I was very disappointed, but not really surprised by the way it ended.
Sepinwell in Hitfix has a good write-up that i essentially agree with.
Finale review
And I understand the people who are holding out hope that this is leading to something meatier in season 2, but I have little faith in the show improving.
Sepinwell in Hitfix has a good write-up that i essentially agree with.
Finale review
And I understand the people who are holding out hope that this is leading to something meatier in season 2, but I have little faith in the show improving.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 7:59 am to Mr. Allman
IMO the show kinds sucked. Not only was the finale a huge let down but each show was basically a waste of time. Every episode besides maybe the few concerning Ahmed basically jumped around uncovering conveniently found hidden clues that would link someone new to the killing. You had no sense of "aha" when random shite is being thrown out every week to keep the story fresh.
Its just kinda bad when you go down the list of characters that you know and say "I bet its this persons turn to be temporarily outed and then proven innocent all in one episode."
Then they completely seal the shitty deal with that ending where they don't give you anything but a cliffhanger to a joke of show.
Not to mention the absolute worthless story line of the mother and father. It was like pulling teeth watching them.
/rant
Seriously debating whether to tune in next season.
Its just kinda bad when you go down the list of characters that you know and say "I bet its this persons turn to be temporarily outed and then proven innocent all in one episode."
Then they completely seal the shitty deal with that ending where they don't give you anything but a cliffhanger to a joke of show.
Not to mention the absolute worthless story line of the mother and father. It was like pulling teeth watching them.
/rant
Seriously debating whether to tune in next season.
This post was edited on 6/21/11 at 8:01 am
Posted on 6/21/11 at 8:02 am to NIH
Well, I was looking at a blog on the original Danish series and the killer was revealed, apparently. I won't say who, of course, but it's a surprise that's not really a surprise. In fact if you think real hard about the last episode, it could occur to you. But maybe they'll change if for America.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 8:14 am to Mr. Allman
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Well, at least people are talking about this series now! This was buried on page 10 a couple of hours before the finale.
I was few weeks behind on my watching. I like the way they teased the councilman being guilty. He was my first guess when the show first started so when it looked like it would turn out to be him I was kinda disappointed cause it seemed too easy.
But mainly I was just happy to see Stan finally tell off his wife. God she's annoying.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 8:16 am to VOR
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In fact if you think real hard about the last episode, it could occur to you. But maybe they'll change if for America.
I'm thinking either of the campaign managers. Especially the female. She didn't like Rosie maybe because she was getting too close to Richmond.
That's my guess.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 9:07 am to Mr. Allman
No the current campaign manager is my guess...the one he is finger blasting now.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 9:10 am to taylork37
I so want to reveal what was in the blog about the Danish series but I won't.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 9:11 am to VOR
Weren't you the one saying that there wasn't going to be a second season?
Either way....link the shite. I'm done with this show and would like to know.
Either way....link the shite. I'm done with this show and would like to know.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 9:28 am to taylork37
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Weren't you the one saying that there wasn't going to be a second season?
Yes. And there wasn't one necessarily planned. The story wrapped up in one season in Denmark (although they're going to run another series with the same characters).
When AMC noted the popularity they greenlighted the second season.
SPOILERS
LINK
Go to post # 125 in this link
LINK
This post was edited on 6/21/11 at 9:31 am
Posted on 6/21/11 at 9:33 am to VOR
SPOILERS MAYBE
Can't read the 2nd link, but if the 1st is correct then I'm really glad not to watch it anymore.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 11:59 am to taylork37
Read an interview with the showrunner today.
Danish version was 20 episodes...this version was only 13. There wasn't enough time to tell the whole story.
The killer will be absolutely found out next season...I believe in episode one (don't know if that means the police will know, though).
The case will be wrapped up during the season, but before the finale. She couldn't talk about season two, but it sounds like the resolution of the Rosie case will lead to a deeper case.
Her big point was they want to be different and not follow a complete procedure, but have more room to navigate. So cases won't be 13 episode arcs.
I hated the cliffhanger, but feel a little better now having read that.
Spoiler about the danish version's killer...
In those same links they mention it won't be the same person. So you can rule that person out.
More specific spoiler about that...
Makes sense it isn't him. Why would he kill or shoot the politician if he was Rosie's killer? Guaranteed conviction for that with witnesses and cameras.
Danish version was 20 episodes...this version was only 13. There wasn't enough time to tell the whole story.
The killer will be absolutely found out next season...I believe in episode one (don't know if that means the police will know, though).
The case will be wrapped up during the season, but before the finale. She couldn't talk about season two, but it sounds like the resolution of the Rosie case will lead to a deeper case.
Her big point was they want to be different and not follow a complete procedure, but have more room to navigate. So cases won't be 13 episode arcs.
I hated the cliffhanger, but feel a little better now having read that.
Spoiler about the danish version's killer...
In those same links they mention it won't be the same person. So you can rule that person out.
More specific spoiler about that...
Makes sense it isn't him. Why would he kill or shoot the politician if he was Rosie's killer? Guaranteed conviction for that with witnesses and cameras.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 12:11 pm to vuvuzela
How did the councilman's wife die? Did she drown?
Posted on 6/21/11 at 12:12 pm to Zed
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councilman's wife die?
hit by drunk driver
Posted on 6/21/11 at 12:24 pm to Dave Worth
quote:SPOILER
Why would he kill or shoot the politician if he was Rosie's killer? Guaranteed conviction for that with witnesses and cameras.
If the council man is dead, he can't be found not guilty.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 12:28 pm to Uncle Stu
quote:Well shite, that kills my theory. Would've explained why he was asking about drowning.
hit by drunk driver
Posted on 6/21/11 at 1:36 pm to Dave Worth
SPOILER ALERT
So that Stan and the family wouldn't realize he's the real killer. He'd rather go to jail for killing the Councilman than be busted for Rosie's murder. Just a thought.
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Makes sense it isn't him. Why would he kill or shoot the politician if he was Rosie's killer? Guaranteed conviction for that with witnesses and cameras
So that Stan and the family wouldn't realize he's the real killer. He'd rather go to jail for killing the Councilman than be busted for Rosie's murder. Just a thought.
Posted on 6/24/11 at 4:46 pm to VOR
Just caught up with last four episodes, they shite the bed big time on this one.
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