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re: Alone season 3: Patagonia Season thread

Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:41 pm to
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:41 pm to
Fowler's shelter or should i say house has to be the best one yet on the show. That was some swiss family robinson stuff he had going on there. Honestly it may have been sturdier than his homestead back in Maine.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:47 pm to
nah.
that Spanish guy from season 2 had a nice setup.
Posted by hiltacular
NYC
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19677 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 6:58 pm to
Really enjoyed this season, it seemed like overall the contestants were extremely knowledgeable.

Feel terrible for Carleigh but she looked rough.

Wish we could have seen a little bit more hunting (or really any).

Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:13 pm to
the hippie chick would have won if she stayed...she was eating monster meals.
Posted by hiltacular
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19677 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:24 pm to
Hippie girl was probably the most impresssive contestant overall. Honestly she will probably land some type of job/tv gig from her appearance on the show.
Posted by forever lsu30
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 12:23 am to
It's amazing what you can do with endless bamboo.

I predict far more contestants in Season 4 will build grander shelters & bring more creative traps/snares.
Posted by youno
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 6/10/17 at 6:44 pm to
shows how little you know, then. Every last one of them has lost at least 1/2 lb per day, and many of lost 2x that much. So a heavy duty shelter is a complete waste of time and calories. You'll starve out long before you need such a shelter. Far smarter to focus that effort on feeding yourself properly. That means stripping off at least half a lb of tree cambium per day as well as catching 10 lbs per day (average,now, every day) of fish and game. An animal or fish's live weight is twice as much as the edible flesh it offers you. Fish and game offer at most 800 calories per lb (ready to eat) A big man, active in the cold, wet and win, can easily need 5000 calories per day. In training, in cool water 5 hours per day, Mike Phelps had to eat 12,000 calories per day and he was RIPPED, not fat. fish and game offer no carbs and your brain needs carbs, hence the need to strip cambium, even tho it's a slight caloric loss to do so.
Posted by youno
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 6/10/17 at 6:46 pm to
no, she wasn't eating well, at all. she lost an average of half a lb per day, just like everyone else has done. that means that she was falling short of her caloric needs by at least 1500 calories per day, which is 2 lbs of game or fish (ready to eat) which means 4 lbs of live weight fish or game, or 6 lbs of plant matter.
Posted by youno
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 6/10/17 at 6:50 pm to
a large shelter it is a stupid waste of calories and time. They all starve out long before winter really hits. The only reason season 3 lasted a month longer is that they were on a lake instead of that horrific seacoast, and they started a month earlier in the season.

what they should do is cut up that 20x20 tarp (just given to them) into 4 10x10's. One should become a 3.5 ft high A-frame sleeping shelter. another should be half of the awning in front of the sleeping shelter. The other half of it should be formed by the "camera" 10x10 that they are given. Use one of the 10x10's to make containers, water filter, pontoon raft (via the duct tape). the last one should be used to shelter your firewood (and its drying rack.
Posted by youno
Member since Jun 2017
143 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 6:53 pm to
yes, they can take a gillnet, but few have known to do so. It's limited to being 2" mesh, 25x6 ft in size. If they had any brains, they'd take one made of paracord, which can be unraveled, and used to make 7x as much netting, which is best used to make a cast net and some sapling-framed fish traps.

The best use for the 25 (treble) hooks is on a dozen duck rafts. 2" logs, about 2.5 ft long, 1.5 ft wide, baited for gulls and ducks, with a drowning rock tied to the line, about a foot from the baited hook.
Posted by youno
Member since Jun 2017
143 posts
Posted on 6/11/17 at 12:02 am to
you can take BOTH a gillnet and the hooks and line AND you can take a paracord hammmock and make MANY nets out after you unravel it and remove the outer sheathing. Best to use the hooks to catch gulls and ducks, tho, and make fish traps out of the netting (and sapling frames.
Posted by youno
Member since Jun 2017
143 posts
Posted on 6/11/17 at 12:05 am to
fowler won only cause he had 100 lbs of blubber to lose. That's it. He wasted an entire month on that stupid shelter. He tells you he caught 60 odd fish. so what? what matters is how much edible flesh they offered. That could be 60 ozs, which isn;t even one day's food when you're active in cold, wet, windy conditions.
Posted by youno
Member since Jun 2017
143 posts
Posted on 6/11/17 at 12:06 am to
In season one, Mitch nearly died before he found fresh water. He was saved by catching rain on his tarp, or he'd never have made it.
Posted by youno
Member since Jun 2017
143 posts
Posted on 6/11/17 at 12:17 am to
the shelters are stupid wastes of time. Nobody has caught more fish in a day than they need to EAT in a day. They save some, because they're not eating what they need to be eating, Every last contestant has averaged losing at LEAST half a lb per day. Season 3 contestants were allowed to start a month earlier in the year, which is why they lasted a month longer. there was more fish-activity, and there were more edible plants. Nobody (yet) has impressed me a lick, cause they didn't even know to take a paracord hammock, break it down to individual strands, weave netting out of it and make fish traps out of the netting. None has had sense enough to use all of their fishhooks to take gulls, ducks, loons, swans, or geese. None have even take 24 of their hooks as treble hooks and that can make a HUGE difference.
This post was edited on 6/11/17 at 12:57 am
Posted by youno
Member since Jun 2017
143 posts
Posted on 6/11/17 at 8:50 am to
he should have eaten the fish much earlier. Dried fish spoil easily in wet conditions. They needed salt in order to cure them properly, and watertight containers (ie, tape and tarp) The safest place to store "extra" food is as your own bodyfat. then rodents and bugs cant eat it, fire and flood can't ruin it and it's helping your strength.None of them knew to peel cambium. They were not getting the carbs that their brainds needed in order to work right. They started a year earlier in the season and still blew it.
Posted by youno
Member since Jun 2017
143 posts
Posted on 6/11/17 at 8:53 am to
fish only provide 800 calories per lb of (ready to eat flesh. his 34 filets would have been at most 3 day's proper food. Dumbass couldn't even string his bow, he was so weak. Duh, dont you think you should check that little item, daily, if you're starving yourself? why not have a tree platform to shoot from?
Posted by youno
Member since Jun 2017
143 posts
Posted on 6/11/17 at 8:57 am to
yes, but you'd better cook and eat 20 lb of that hog in 2 days, render out the fat of the rest of it. Without salt, it's going to spoil, You can get an acceptable salt out of HaRDWOOD ashes, but they had very little hardwood that Ive seen on the show. They need to put out a dozen duck rafts, 2 treble hooks on each one, One baited with roasted cambium, the other hook baited with fish guts, with drowning rocks tied to the hooks.
Posted by youno
Member since Jun 2017
143 posts
Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:02 am to
you'd need to eat at least 6 lbs of fish per day, and if you're really active, it might be as much ast 8 lbs per day. So dave would have gone thru his little stockpile in a couple of days. None of them were peeling cambium. your brain needs carbs, and fish and gave offer ZERO carbs. If you dont get the carbs, you can't think properly.
Posted by youno
Member since Jun 2017
143 posts
Posted on 6/11/17 at 2:54 pm to
if they can't even handle the water issue, they wont last more than 2 days, without catching rainwater, at least. Something so basic isnt worth much screen time. But what they FAIL to do (ie, feed themselves even 1/4 of what they need to be eating) THAT should get 3/4 of the screen time. anyone can (or should, at least, be capable of) cutting up that 20x20 into 4 10x10 tarps and making adequate shelter, without risking life and limb raising huge beams to support their roof. Sheesh, how dumb can you GET?
Posted by youno
Member since Jun 2017
143 posts
Posted on 6/11/17 at 2:59 pm to
millions of soldiers thru the years have shared a little pup tent, ya know? How long would it take you to toss a 10x10 over a ridgeline and stake it out? once you have the stakes (takes 10 minutes to cut and shape them) erecting the tarp shelter should not take more than 10 minutes,and if you have enough sense to have brought a paracord hammock or paracord gillnet, you can be up off of the cold, wet ground in 10 minutes or less, with the shelter around/over you.

you dont want a non-portable shelter for this show. you can easily need to move it, to avoid a problem, or take advantage of a temporary resource, etc. You want a raised bed, once it gets cold, so that you can put heated rocks under it. A small shelter is much easier to surround with brush, debris and dirt, in order to 'winterize" it, too. you dont need to do so for your awning, where you work and where the fire should be
This post was edited on 6/11/17 at 3:06 pm
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