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re: A League of Their Own- Why did Dottie drop the ball on purpose?
Posted on 7/30/15 at 2:03 pm to blueboy
Posted on 7/30/15 at 2:03 pm to blueboy
-did dottie drop it on purpose?
-airplane on a conveyor belt
-whatever variation of the monty hall problem is topical
-that math problem with the unclear divisor symbol
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-airplane on a conveyor belt
-whatever variation of the monty hall problem is topical
-that math problem with the unclear divisor symbol
-is kate upton fat?
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Posted on 7/30/15 at 2:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
By the way, I've always thought (known) she didn't drop it on purpose, and this still holds true for me as well:
It's a fun debate, but one that we've had and retreaded for years. But I'll go to my grave believing Kit knocks the ball off Dottie legitimately. Zero chance Dottie would frick over her teammates like that. None. And in the end, she has a greater appreciation for her sister because she finally stepped up and wanted something more and worked at it, and achieved it better than Dottie did. And she's proud of her for that.
The funny thing about this discussion is that both sides have completely legitimate, believable arguments for their side.
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it wasn't until this board that i knew people disagreed
It's a fun debate, but one that we've had and retreaded for years. But I'll go to my grave believing Kit knocks the ball off Dottie legitimately. Zero chance Dottie would frick over her teammates like that. None. And in the end, she has a greater appreciation for her sister because she finally stepped up and wanted something more and worked at it, and achieved it better than Dottie did. And she's proud of her for that.
The funny thing about this discussion is that both sides have completely legitimate, believable arguments for their side.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 2:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if you don't have dottie drop it on purpose, you basically also have to transform both sisters into a-hole crazy people
WTF? Because they were both trying to win a professional baseball game?
Bah. I appreciate the position of the "dropped it on purpose" crowd - I was with y'all at one time.
Just fails, for me, upon deeper analysis.
Dottie is done with baseball. She gets in the car. She's on her way home to have her life with her husband who's injured and back from the war. They get down the road, probably talk about a little bit. She decides, "That team is my family. I can't just abandon them for the biggest game of all of our lives. I can wait a day or two to start my post-baseball life." They discuss it and ole boy certainly seemed supportive.
So, they drive back, she gives it 100%, but Kit has grown as a player. Kit beats her because she's still all in for baseball. If anything, Dottie regrets not being 100% into the game, because she had already switched off, so to speak and had to turn it back on.
Dottie dropping the ball on purpose would have cheated herself, her team and Kit. The win is meaningless and her return to help her team are meaningless if she drops it on purpose.
At least that's the way I see it.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 2:20 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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A League of Their Own- Why did Dottie drop the ball on purpose? by Henry Jones Jr
I think I see a possible flaw in your question.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 2:22 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:She initially left to do that. Then she listened to Jimmy's advice and came back because she knew that if she didn't finish that she would regret it the rest of her life. She fully intended on beating Kit until she saw Kit losing it in the dugout after she gave up the lead in the top of the 9th. When she saw that, that's when she made her decision. Why would the film focus on Dottie noticing Kit losing it in the dugout if she didn't care about her sister and her success?
And she couldn't have done that by just going to Oregon with her husband?
Posted on 7/30/15 at 2:25 pm to Ace Midnight
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And she couldn't have done that by just going to Oregon with her husband?
Meh.
It doesn't really matter when she sacrifices, the point is she has to sacrifice. It ending in Oregon is a different dramatic effect, per SFP.
This post was edited on 7/30/15 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 7/30/15 at 2:26 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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She initially left to do that. Then she listened to Jimmy's advice and came back because she knew that if she didn't finish that she would regret it the rest of her life. She fully intended on beating Kit until she saw Kit losing it in the dugout after she gave up the lead in the top of the 9th. When she saw that, that's when she made her decision. Why would the film focus on Dottie noticing Kit losing it in the dugout if she didn't care about her sister and her success?
Bingo.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 2:26 pm to CocomoLSU
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The funny thing about this discussion is that both sides have completely legitimate, believable arguments for their side.
Are we legitimate or Communists? Or Legitimate Communists?
Posted on 7/30/15 at 2:28 pm to Ace Midnight
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Dottie dropping the ball on purpose would have cheated herself, her team and Kit. The win is meaningless and her return to help her team are meaningless if she drops it on purpose.
At least that's the way I see it.
You and me both, man.
Even if you accept that the whole entire thing is about family (which I do not, btw), it does Dottie no good to give Kit a cheap win if she does it on purpose. There is nothing noteworthy there aside from giving Kit a little pick me up. But Dottie wouldn't respect or be proud of Kit's "accomplishments" because she'd know they were built on a lie.
It means MUCH more to the story, and to the characters, that Kit finally earned it and one-upped her big sister on the biggest stage. If Dottie drops it on purpose, it takes away something meaningful to every single one of the characters in the movie...the team, her and Kit, Kit's team, Jimmy, the fans, etc. Dropping it on purpose cheapens everything, and I don't think that's what they were trying to get across when making the film...not even a little bit.
Avoid the clap,
Jimmy Dugan
Posted on 7/30/15 at 2:30 pm to Freauxzen
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Are we legitimate or Communists? Or Legitimate Communists?
You can be both, but it's pretty un-American to think she dropped it on purpose.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 2:32 pm to CocomoLSU
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it's pretty un-American to think she dropped it on purpose.
I guess Dottie is the movies symbol of Stalin then because that's what happened
Posted on 7/30/15 at 2:33 pm to CocomoLSU
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You and me both, man.
If you weren't Night King of the Hodors, I'd take a little more solace in your support.
Seriously, though, glad we're on the same side for this one.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 2:37 pm to Ace Midnight
The director could have easily shot the scene with Kit blasting dottie and the ball flys out. Dottie tried and Kit wins.
But he did not. Its its own cut scene filmed later of Dotties hand and her letting go of the ball. So its on purpose to have a bit of doubt as to what happen. But the cut scene is symbolic in Dottie letting go of baseball and letting Kit have her future.
But he did not. Its its own cut scene filmed later of Dotties hand and her letting go of the ball. So its on purpose to have a bit of doubt as to what happen. But the cut scene is symbolic in Dottie letting go of baseball and letting Kit have her future.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 2:39 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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She fully intended on beating Kit until she saw Kit losing it in the dugout after she gave up the lead in the top of the 9th. When she saw that, that's when she made her decision.
exactly. i thought there was an emotional breakdown by kit that propelled dottie to be like "oh frick i am a terrible sister. i don't care about this game and she does. this means so much to her. oh frick i was a count to her earlier, too. frick frick frick. how do i make it up?
....
and then opportunity arises
Posted on 7/30/15 at 2:45 pm to goatmilker
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But he did not. Its its own cut scene filmed later of Dotties hand and her letting go of the ball.
That may symbolize her "letting go" of baseball - as she lets go of A baseball. But, in no way does that cut scene, by itself, mean she dropped it on purpose.
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letting Kit have her future.
Meh. Anything is cheapened and devalued if given. Kit wanted it more. Period.
ETA: Just as the opposite - Kit comes charging through - in her mind, the only obstacle to her future success is her sister - she doesn't care about family and only cares about winning - she delivers a hit, forceful enough to dislodge the ball so she can win. She wanted it more, period.
This post was edited on 7/30/15 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 7/30/15 at 2:53 pm to Henry Jones Jr
quote:Because it's fairly obvious that she didn't.
Why do people think this I a troll? Seriously
Posted on 7/30/15 at 2:54 pm to Ace Midnight
If she dropped the ball on purpose then she's a terrible teammate and has no business being at the women's baseball hall of fame and the entire movie goes from being a classic to a piece of shite.
So, I choose to believe that she just got beat on that play.
So, I choose to believe that she just got beat on that play.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 2:59 pm to Ace Midnight
Penny Marshall has discussed it a few times. On one special edition commentary she said Dottie did it on purpose, Penny took a lot of shite for that. So I think her official position now is that it is up to the viewer to decide what happened. Dottie doing it on purpose was what she said initially though, so take that for what it's worth when you watch it.
This post was edited on 7/30/15 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 7/30/15 at 3:02 pm to Dam Guide
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So I think her official position now is that it is up to the viewer to decide what happened.
It seems deliberately vague and ambiguous.
I mean, take the whole, "Is Deckard a replicant debate?" Same kind of thing. Very ambiguous and makes for better discussions than clear cut, umambiguous answers.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 3:06 pm to Henry Jones Jr
quote:Why would the film not make it more obvious that Dottie dropped it on purpose? The shot of the drop was for dramatic effect. Nothing more.
Why would the film focus on Dottie noticing Kit losing it in the dugout if she didn't care about her sister and her success?
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