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Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:07 pm to Baloo
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It's explained in the first scene in her advice to her grandkids. It's about what you value.
This.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:08 pm to Ace Midnight
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This ignores the fact the film is actually, mainly, Kit's story, but told, primarily through the perspective of Dottie and Jimmy (although their stories are important, too).
THIS is a good troll. because it's ridiculous.
Well done sir.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:10 pm to Ace Midnight
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Why would she be coaching the pitcher on how to pitch around Kit if she were tanking the game?
the guilt from that is why she dropped it is how i already felt in the situation. isn't there a scene between the "pitch" and the "drop" where she sees dot being emotional? and doesn't that happen pretty close to before the"drop" scene? she was done with baseball. this meant more for her sister. she realized that and the only way her sister could win was for her to let her win. she sacrificed for her sister.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:10 pm to Freauxzen
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THIS is a good troll. because it's ridiculous.
If by "ridiculous" you mean "spot on" - then I agree with you.
Okay, I'll narrow it down - the pure "sports" story is mainly about Kit.
The pure "life" story (redemption, etc.) is about Jimmy.
The hybrid - transition from "sports" to "life after sports" story is about Dottie.
But - there is zero chance in my mind that Dottie dropped the ball on purpose. She blocked the plate on purpose and Kit knocked the shite out of her on purpose. "Dropping the ball" was just baseball. Somebody had to win, somebody had to lose. The winner wanted it more, period.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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she realized that and the only way her sister could win was for her to let her win.
So, she made a great play on the throw and blocked the plate?
I think missing the throw would have been much less violent and more certain to ensure victory - just MHO.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:14 pm to Ace Midnight
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If by "ridiculous" you mean "spot on" - then I agree with you.
Okay, I'll narrow it down - the pure "sports" story is mainly about Kit.
The pure "life" story (redemption, etc.) is about Jimmy.
The hybrid - transition from "sports" to "life after sports" story is about Dottie.
There is one real story in this film. One hero who makes a journey. One hero who sacrifices. This isn't some puzzle, or some narrative experimentation. It's a clear cut hero film.
There is one person this film focuses on and it's Dottie.
There are other characters, and other characters who change, but the hero's journey in the film is Dottie and Dottie's alone. That is a fact, regardless of whether or not you believe she dropped it on purpose.
Sorry.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:15 pm to Henry Jones Jr
One of three reasons:
1. Because of her secret enmity for the game of baseball. Trying to undermine the integrity of the game.
2. Because she thought that throwing the game would initiate the death spiral of women's baseball and she knew that men play baseball (and do everything else) better than women.
3. She bet heavily on the 15:1 underdog Racine Belles...cashed in and spent it all on liquor and weed.
1. Because of her secret enmity for the game of baseball. Trying to undermine the integrity of the game.
2. Because she thought that throwing the game would initiate the death spiral of women's baseball and she knew that men play baseball (and do everything else) better than women.
3. She bet heavily on the 15:1 underdog Racine Belles...cashed in and spent it all on liquor and weed.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:16 pm to Freauxzen
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It's a clear cut hero film.
Meh. Heroes don't lose, intentionally or otherwise.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:18 pm to Ace Midnight
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I think missing the throw would have been much less violent and more certain to ensure victory - just MHO.
but this is a story, and that wouldn't have been dramatic
in the way the story is built, i just don't see how people couldn't understand what they were trying to portray
it wasn't until this board that i knew people disagreed
Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:18 pm to Ace Midnight
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Meh. Heroes don't lose, intentionally or otherwise.
she didn't lose, though. the game was irrelevant to her b/c her choice was to be with her family at that point.
raising her sister up to become somebody was a win
Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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in the way the story is built, i just don't see how people couldn't understand what they were trying to portray
I used to think she dropped it on purpose. Just doesn't make any sense when fully analyzed.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:20 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Why should she try to make her sister feel like she's better than she actually is? Why make that sacrifice?
Because the movie has nothing to do with baseball, winning or even being the best at your sport. It has to do with FAMILY. From the first scene to the last, the film is focused on family. The point of the film is that the challenge for Dottie is NOT BASEBALL. The challenge is family, her relationship with her sister. Baseball is a backdrop to a more important story. That's why all of the people talking about "why did she drop it this way," or "why does she make a great play, and then decide to throw the game," and anything else around baseball and winning, and Dottie being her best and trying her hardest are trying to make a baseball movie out of a family movie. It doesn't work. The first scene in the film tells you that.
In the purest sense of the word, A League of Their Own is not a sports movie. It isn't about a team scrapping out wins and going for the big one. It isn't about Kit, it isn't about Jimmie. It's about family. Baseball is a catalyst.
Baseball comes easy to Dottie, family does not. That's why the end of the film is about Dottie making a choice for Family, on all accounts, and that includes giving up on the "big game."
She drops the ball because baseball isn't important to her anymore, family is.
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Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:20 pm to Ace Midnight
nvm
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Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:21 pm to Ace Midnight
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Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:24 pm to Freauxzen
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She drops the ball because baseball isn't important to her anymore, family is.
And she couldn't have done that by just going to Oregon with her husband?
Meh.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:25 pm to Freauxzen
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She drops the ball because baseball isn't important to her anymore, family is.
I'm not denying she dropped the ball. I'm not denying she dropped the ball because baseball wasn't as important to her. I'm denying she dropped it "on purpose".
That's a subtle difference, but an important one.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:57 pm to Henry Jones Jr
quote:Just stop it.
Why do people think this I a troll? Seriously
Seriously, you might as well start a Mythbusters "airplane on a conveyer belt" thread.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:58 pm to Ace Midnight
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And she couldn't have done that by just going to Oregon with her husband?
Meh.
why i said "how they built the story"
her decision making wasn't the most efficient from a rational perspective, but this movie was about telling a story about emotional development. emotional thinking is irrational so those efficiency-based "gotchas" aren't persuasive. same as why they showed her violate the very tenets of her relationship as sister (knowing that super personal info that was established via her status as sister and not via her status as baseball player).
if you don't have dottie drop it on purpose, you basically also have to transform both sisters into a-hole crazy people
Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:59 pm to Henry Jones Jr
It was on purpose, there is no saying otherwise.
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