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re: 100 Best Films of the 21st Century, BBC Culture
Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:56 am to Speedy G
Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:56 am to Speedy G
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My response was completely opposite.
Mine too. The talk the boy and his dad have at Antone's near the end where his dad muses on the impact of timing in our lives while they watch his friend's band tune up... man that hit home. Timing is everything. We think it was you, we think it was me, we think if 'only I coulda or woulda'... but really it's about being in the right "place" (multiple different meanings) at the right time for both people.
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Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:03 pm to Speedy G
Watching Boyhood as a 21 year old, I did get a bit emotional afterwards just thinking about my own life and family. A lot of the complaints stem from the film being too boring or the lack of a cohersive plotline. But to me the point of the film wasn't to build a plot but to showcase how life is made up of the small moments you may not remember. The scene when they're hanging out in the residential construction site showcases this pretty well. Viewers are waiting for someone to get their head sliced off by the saw blade being thrown around, but then nothing happens. The scene just kind of ends.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 1:27 pm to Ssubba
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But to me the point of the film wasn't to build a plot but to showcase how life is made up of the small moments you may not remember
That's almost exactly what Linklater himself has said.
Boyhood is a meditation on time and the slow progress of life. It is vignettes that loosely hang together.
The problem is that drama is life at its most climactic. It is ordinary reacting to or causing the extraordinary. Otherwise it's boring. There is no secret to the scenes with the husbands the mother had where they get violent as being the most intriguing. Drama needs... Well drama... To be compelling. Too much of the movie is flat. Does there need to be a single strand of plot to tie it all together? Maybe not. Particularly with a good actor to anchor the scenes. And one could argue that it has the common thread with "the plot is he is growing up," but how compelling is that without more?
It was a less a movie than it was a film study, and that's a problem. It lacked real emotional ties, didn't have enough tension and ultimately fails as a story.
I admire the hell out of the movie and the thought behind it. I understand that it wasn't meant to be anything more than a contemplation on growing up and that, in fact, if it had been more plot driven, that contemplation would have been muddied. But it isn't a terribly interesting piece of art either, except for the novelty of it.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 1:41 pm to JombieZombie
Ok, this article popped up on yahoo for me to read and I thought that was funny.
5 Movies the Critics Love But Are Actually Complete Garbage
Article is from the Federalist.
5 Movies the Critics Love But Are Actually Complete Garbage
Article is from the Federalist.
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The BBC recently asked 177 film critics from around the globe to create a master list ranking the greatest films of the twenty-first century. It’s awful.
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Isn’t “Training Day” a more compelling movie than, say, Spike Lee’s “25th Hour” — a fine film with a fine lead actor based on a fine book that is most definitely not the 26th best movie of this century. Why isn’t Ben Affleck’s “The Town” or “Gone Baby Gone” on the list, but two pretentious, pseudo-intellectual Lars von Trier films do make the cut? Why are there no Lord of The Ring movies on the list, when they are surely as well done as “Pans Labyrinth?” Are fan favorites like “Gladiator,” “The Revenant,” or even “Best in Show” (with a 96 percent on Rotten Tomatoes) less deserving than middling efforts like “Before Sunset” or “Requiem for a Dream”?
Posted on 8/25/16 at 4:22 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Isn’t “Training Day” a more compelling movie than, say, Spike Lee’s “25th Hour”
No. Hell, the final 30 minutes of 25th Hour are among my favorite 30 minutes of any movie, and its compelling as hell. Also, its a crime movie that almost perfectly captured what post 9/11 NYC felt like.
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Why isn’t Ben Affleck’s “The Town” or “Gone Baby Gone” on the list, but two pretentious, pseudo-intellectual Lars von Trier films do make the cut?
Because Gone Baby Gone is a mediocre movie with "shocking" twist that managed to shock no one. I do like The Town a lot, and hate Lars von Trier even more. So I'll give them that. Lars von Trier is second only to Haneke in directors whose completely hateful worldview I'm pretty much done with. I get it. You hate being alive and you resent others' joy. Duly noted.
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hy are there no Lord of The Ring movies on the list, when they are surely as well done as “Pans Labyrinth?”
Because they aren't.
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Are fan favorites like “Gladiator,” “The Revenant,” or even “Best in Show” (with a 96 percent on Rotten Tomatoes) less deserving than middling efforts like “Before Sunset” or “Requiem for a Dream”?
I've got nothing against fan favorites, and in fact argued in favor of them, but there's nothing middling about Before Sunset or Requiem for a Dream. The experience of seeing Requiem in the theater absolutely wrecked me. The whole Before trilogy is one of the most realistic takes on love/relationships put on film. I'm a huge fan, and watch them often.
But this goes to one of my major points: fans of mainstream films tend to be the provincial ones, not film critics. Nearly every film critic will advocate for some mass consumerist Hollywood films, while almost none of these Critics Are Snobs fans will consider a foreign film or a slower paced indie. As a reminder, critics RAVED about The Avengers and all three Toy Stories, for example.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 4:28 pm to JombieZombie
Gangs of New York isn't even on the list
Posted on 8/25/16 at 5:01 pm to Baloo
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hate Lars von Trier
Lars von Try-hard is how I think of him. "Ohh look at me I am so negative and shocking." He is the directorial equivalent of The Nihilists from The Big Lebowski. The man is the living embodiment of the internet "edgelord" phenomenon.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 9:38 pm to Baloo
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Isn’t “Training Day” a more compelling movie than, say, Spike Lee’s “25th Hour”
No. Hell, the final 30 minutes of 25th Hour are among my favorite 30 minutes of any movie, and its compelling as hell. Also, its a crime movie that almost perfectly captured what post 9/11 NYC felt like.
I personally think Training Day doesn't hold a candle to 25th Hour. That is a fantastic movie.
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I've got nothing against fan favorites, and in fact argued in favor of them, but there's nothing middling about Before Sunset or Requiem for a Dream
Never seen Before Sunset, but Requiem is a movie that inspired an entire generation. Including other filmmakers. And it is a compelling story that elegantly follows the strands of characters to their tragic ends. There are few movies that people discuss more frequently when asking others about their taste in movies.
I didn't agree with much of what the author of the article said, I just thought it hilarious that he was bitching about the same BBC article we were discussing.
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while almost none of these Critics Are Snobs fans will consider a foreign film or a slower paced indie
Well people are stupid.
This post was edited on 8/25/16 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 8/26/16 at 2:15 am to LoveThatMoney
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Are fan favorites like “Gladiator,” “The Revenant,” or even “Best in Show” (with a 96 percent on Rotten Tomatoes) less deserving than middling efforts like “Before Sunset”
This writer, David Harsanyi, is an imbecile. He is not a film critic. To expect 177 films critics who did not collaborate, but independently submitted lists to provide a canon of films that match one's own specific tastes is idiotic. It's also be boring as hell. My favorite movie is on this list, but I think many of the rest don't deserve to be there. I'm not mad about. I have my own tastes and preferences.
The ballots:
The Ballots of 177 Critics
I like to read these to remind myself that 177 critics didn't just come together and collectively decide that TDK is better than City of God; shite just added up that way.
Lists are fun. Idiots are obnoxious.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 2:20 am to JombieZombie
Before Sunset at 73, no Before Midnight. But yet Linklater's second biggest piece of shite is at 5. Nothing by Villaneuve, David Lynch is an over-artsy hack deserving of no attention. Fury Road is way too high, maybe Tom Hardy's 5th or 6th best movie. No Country for Old Men, Memento, and Children of Men (the undisputed #1) should have been much higher. I'm tired, can't even list the other mistakes of this list.
I do realize it's a survey of many critics, and people have different tastes. Really bad taste mostly. Hur hurrrr, Blue Is The Warmest Color at 45, really?
I do realize it's a survey of many critics, and people have different tastes. Really bad taste mostly. Hur hurrrr, Blue Is The Warmest Color at 45, really?
Posted on 8/26/16 at 8:27 am to LoveThatMoney
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Why isn’t Ben Affleck’s “The Town”
Because The Town was not great! I'm not saying it sucks, but it was not great. If we are going to talk crime films since 2001 set in the NE, I think The Drop is a superior film to The Town.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 3:13 pm to JombieZombie
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74. Spring Breakers (Harmony Korine, 2012)
Are you kidding me? That movie was unwatchable.
No Ip Man? That's easily the best kung fu movie of the 21st century in my opinion.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 3:17 pm to Cooter Davenport
Makes me think we should do an MWADS for the 21st Century as a retread of the 2000s
Ugh if only I had any time to do it.
Ugh if only I had any time to do it.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 3:17 pm to JombieZombie
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10. No Country for Old Men (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2007)
9. A Separation (Asghar Farhadi, 2011)
8. Yi Yi: A One and a Two (Edward Yang, 2000)
7. The Tree of Life (Terrence Malick, 2011)
6. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry, 2004)
5. Boyhood (Richard Linklater, 2014)
4. Spirited Away (Hayao Miyazaki, 2001)
3. There Will Be Blood (Paul Thomas Anderson, 2007)
2. In the Mood for Love (Wong Kar-wai, 2000)
1. Mulholland Drive (David Lynch, 2001)
My god that is a bad list.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 3:18 pm to Bench McElroy
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I think it's a good list for the most part except for Boyhood being in the top 10. I would replace it with City of God.
My fave movie ever.
fricking love that flick.
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