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re: Yes or No: Duncan is the better player than Kobe all time
Posted on 5/15/17 at 8:42 am to Tigerfan56
Posted on 5/15/17 at 8:42 am to Tigerfan56
Career avgs.
Kobe: 45%FG 33%3ptFG 84%FT 5RBS 5Ast 1.4Stls .5Blks 25pts
Timmy: 51%FG .18%3ptFG 70%FT 11Rbs 3ast .7stl 2.2blks 19ppg
5 categories vs 3 categories
Kobe Bean.
Kobe: 45%FG 33%3ptFG 84%FT 5RBS 5Ast 1.4Stls .5Blks 25pts
Timmy: 51%FG .18%3ptFG 70%FT 11Rbs 3ast .7stl 2.2blks 19ppg
5 categories vs 3 categories
Kobe Bean.
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 9:15 am
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Posted on 5/15/17 at 8:48 am to CelticDog
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Dude with ball with 6 seconds to go, trailing by 1, kobe.
Ahh, the sidewalk fan that buys the media narrative.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 8:49 am to Tigerfan56
quote:My favorite is MJ is the best because he's sooooooo clutch.
In what world does it make sense to take that guy who will be better in the 20 seconds of the <10% of games that come down to a final shot, than the guy who is going to be better the first 47 minutes in every game.
Really? The guy who is the best to ever play the game for the 1st 47 minutes and 50 seconds is the best in the last 10 seconds? Never saw that coming!!!
Posted on 5/15/17 at 8:51 am to AU_251
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Tim is the greatest PF of all time.
If he was drafted by anyone but the Spurs w/ The Admiral, he would've been a center.
Hell, he basically was a center, but they adjusted the scheme/matchups to minimize the beating on his body
Posted on 5/15/17 at 8:53 am to SlowEasyConfident
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Kobe raped a white woman. I'll take Duncan
If he raped an Asian woman would that have changed your ranking?
Posted on 5/15/17 at 8:54 am to 21JumpStreet
quote:
Career avgs.
Kobe: 45%FG 33%3ptFG 84%FT 5RBS 5Ast 1.4Stls .5Blks 25pts
Timmy: 51%FG .18%3ptFG 70%FT 11Rbs 3ast .7stl 2.2blks 19ppg
5 vs 3
Kobe Bean.
A. You could've just said you like Kobe more because he scored more points.
B. What is this 5 vs 3 thing? You do know Duncan won 5 rings, not 3, right?
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 8:55 am
Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:11 am to monkeybutt
5 of those categories vs 3
Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:11 am to AU_251
quote:Only bc he didn't have the balls to play center after Robinson retired. You people act like PF was his natural fit. Duncan didn't want to have to guard Centers. that's the only reason he didn't play center.
Tim is the greatest PF of all time.
The "he's the greatest pf of all time" argument is also stupid bc pf is the least important position in basketball.
Kobe routinely guarded the opponent's best perimeter player. Duncan routinely avoided guarding the opponent's best big man. I'll take Kobe for his heart and determination. Screw Duncan's Charmin softness.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:14 am to 21JumpStreet
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5 of those categories vs 3
wow what a simple way to look at things. 4 of the 5 categories Kobe won (3pt%, FT%, assists, steals) are almost a given based on Kobe being a SG and Duncan being a PF.
The 5th (points) is easily explained by amount of shots each took. There are way better ways to compare the two.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:17 am to Tigerfan56
Gotta keep it simple.
Kobe > Duncan. Better all around player.
Kobe > Duncan. Better all around player.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:17 am to Rakim
quote:
Jesus, one guy is a SG and the other is a PF
Apples and Oranges
this, really hard to compare the two
Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:18 am to 21JumpStreet
quote:
Career avgs.
Kobe: 45%FG 33%3ptFG 84%FT 5RBS 5Ast 1.4Stls .5Blks 25pts
Timmy: 51%FG .18%3ptFG 70%FT 11Rbs 3ast .7stl 2.2blks 19ppg
5 categories vs 3 categories
Kobe Bean.
Let's look at these categories as well.
Win shares: Duncan > Kobe
Win shares/48: Duncan > Kobe
Box Score Plus/Minus: Duncan > Kobe
VORP: Duncan > Kobe
None of the advanced stats are particularly close. Duncan was the better player.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:27 am to TD_Hero
It's hard to compare the two.
I'd say Kobe, even as an SA fan.
I'd say Kobe, even as an SA fan.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:55 am to DallasTiger45
Kobe: Better Scorer, Better Passer, More versatile defender.
Duncan: Better Rebounder.
3 to 1.
Duncan: Better Rebounder.
3 to 1.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:56 am to AjaxFury
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*through February 27, 2012 The first table includes 15 active players who have attempted at least 650 "clutch" shots since the 2000-01 season. Again, for this set, ‘clutch' is defined as "the shots that occur during the 4th quarter or overtime, with less than five minutes remaining, and neither team ahead by more than five points". Playoffs are included. "Clutch" since 2000 (click column header to sort)
PLAYER FG FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% AST'D %AST'D BEST WORST Kobe 606 1525 0.397 99 351 0.282 148 0.244 46% 32% Pierce 450 1163 0.387 97 298 0.326 185 0.411 44% 21% Dirk 443 1036 0.428 75 229 0.328 206 0.465 48% 37% LeBron 461 1003 0.460 93 297 0.313 117 0.254 55% 37% Vince 401 1001 0.401 67 217 0.309 159 0.397 50% 36%. R.Allen 371 0916 0.405 160 450 0.356 192 0.518 48% 34% Terry 381 0870 0.438 108 285 0.379 164 0.430 55% 33% KG 368 0848 0.434 8 36 0.222 212 0.576 65% 33% Wade 321 0774 0.415 30 124 0.242 59 0.184 47% 32% Duncan 376 0818 0.460 2 20 0.100 156 0.415 55% 36% Nash 370 0806 0.459 125 314 0.398 65 0.176 56% 35% A.Miller 269 0678 0.397 19 82 0.232 64 0.238 47% 26% Billups 309 0796 0.388 120 367 0.327 110 0.356 46% 24% Melo 276 0655 0.421 31 111 0.279 140 0.507 52% 38% TMac 266 0714 0.373 44 164 0.268 89 0.335 42% 35%
Avg. 378 907 0.417 72 223
Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:58 am to AjaxFury
quote:
Of the 15 players listed, Kobe Bryant's shooting percentage (40%) was below average.
Tim Duncan and LeBron James shot the highest percentage (46%).
Steve Nash was pretty good during the clutch.
5 of the 15 players were assisted on less than 30% of their makes, meaning they created their own shots (most likely isolations). Those players are: Steve Nash (18%), Dwyane Wade (18%), Andre Miller (24%), Kobe Bryant (24%) and LeBron James (24%).
Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen and Carmelo Anthony all had %ast'd above 50%, meaning their teammates were creating makes for them more often than not.
Tracy McGrady shot the lowest percentage in clutch situations. Why did Andre Miller shoot so many clutch shots?
Posted on 5/15/17 at 10:05 am to AjaxFury
quote:Interesting.
PLAYER FG FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% AST'D %AST'D BEST WORST Kobe 606 1525 0.397 99 351 0.282 148 0.244 46% 32% Pierce 450 1163 0.387 97 298 0.326 185 0.411 44% 21% Dirk 443 1036 0.428 75 229 0.328 206 0.465 48% 37% LeBron 461 1003 0.460 93 297 0.313 117 0.254 55% 37% Vince 401 1001 0.401 67 217 0.309 159 0.397 50% 36%. R.Allen 371 0916 0.405 160 450 0.356 192 0.518 48% 34% Terry 381 0870 0.438 108 285 0.379 164 0.430 55% 33% KG 368 0848 0.434 8 36 0.222 212 0.576 65% 33% Wade 321 0774 0.415 30 124 0.242 59 0.184 47% 32% Duncan 376 0818 0.460 2 20 0.100 156 0.415 55% 36% Nash 370 0806 0.459 125 314 0.398 65 0.176 56% 35% A.Miller 269 0678 0.397 19 82 0.232 64 0.238 47% 26% Billups 309 0796 0.388 120 367 0.327 110 0.356 46% 24% Melo 276 0655 0.421 31 111 0.279 140 0.507 52% 38% TMac 266 0714 0.373 44 164 0.268 89 0.335 42% 35%
Avg. 378 907 0.417 72 223
Posted on 5/15/17 at 10:18 am to TD_Hero
frick no
Posted on 5/15/17 at 10:35 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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Interesting
Vince's interesting b/c numerology
, or b/c he shot a damn good % his best year, but entirely avg on the list This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 10:37 am
Posted on 5/15/17 at 10:40 am to TD_Hero
Without question. Timmy was the best player of his generation.
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