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re: Yes or No: Duncan is the better player than Kobe all time
Posted on 5/15/17 at 10:40 am to StrongBackWeakMind
Posted on 5/15/17 at 10:40 am to StrongBackWeakMind
Dirk & Terry were 2 of the most clutch. Was the perfect anti-dote for the 1st Heatles Finals/2006 rematch
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Posted on 5/15/17 at 10:43 am to TD_Hero
Kobe without question.
Duncan was never at any point the best player in the game imo. I also remember how he always tried to dodge guarding Shaq during the Lakers' three peat lol
Duncan was never at any point the best player in the game imo. I also remember how he always tried to dodge guarding Shaq during the Lakers' three peat lol
Posted on 5/15/17 at 10:48 am to TD_Hero
Kobe, and it's not even close. Am I doing this right, MSB?
Posted on 5/15/17 at 10:50 am to David Ricky
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Duncan was never at any point the best player in the game imo
Looking back at the stats and the season results, I don't know that Kobe ever had one season where he was clearly the best player in the league.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:01 am to Goldrush25
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Looking back at the stats and the season results, I don't know that Kobe ever had one season where he was clearly the best player in the league.
i think he probably was, but it was during those dead years when the lakers were a .500 team.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:05 am to 632627
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think he probably was, but it was during those dead years when the lakers were a .500 team.
You mean when he drug a team with frickin Smush Parker as PG to the playoffs at the peak of the loaded West? While the East had an under .500 division winner getting a top 4 seed
Basically, the same narrative LBJ worshippers love to remind us with Boobie Gibson, big Z, etc but worse & in a significantly tougher conference.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:10 am to ReauxlTide222
Kobe was mj lite at his best.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:17 am to AjaxFury
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Basically, the same narrative LBJ worshippers love to remind us with Boobie Gibson, big Z, etc but worse & in a significantly tougher conference.
LeBron still played a part in ending the Pistons' rule of the East in the 2000s. So not really comparable.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:17 am to CelticDog
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Kobe was mj lite at his best.
he was/is the most similar to MJ that we might ever see. imo, kobe is better than duncan; however i don't have a problem with someone that says otherwise. i do have a problem with someone that says otherwise and that it's not close.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:21 am to TD_Hero
earlier in his career, Duncan was an offensive and defensive force. as he aged, like many, he became less and less mobile. Kobe was an ageless wonder. Sure, he didn't bang down low all game, but he was spectacular until the very end.
all-time, I'd agree that Duncan gets the nod for the more complete player.
Where do y'all think Dirk aligns with the best PFs of all time? Surely, he one of the best if not the best offensive big man of all time. But, he definitely lacked size and speed on the other side.
all-time, I'd agree that Duncan gets the nod for the more complete player.
Where do y'all think Dirk aligns with the best PFs of all time? Surely, he one of the best if not the best offensive big man of all time. But, he definitely lacked size and speed on the other side.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:34 am to TD_Hero
At least it's no longer the kobe vs Lebron talks
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:43 am to AjaxFury
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You mean when he drug a team with frickin Smush Parker as PG to the playoffs at the peak of the loaded West? While the East had an under .500 division winner getting a top 4 seed
Basically, the same narrative LBJ worshippers love to remind us with Boobie Gibson, big Z, etc but worse & in a significantly tougher conference.
You'd have a better case if he were at least dominating the league in the box scores at that time but he really wasn't. He had his best year in 2005-06. While he had an excellent year, Dirk and Lebron were right there with him, besting him in PER in fact. At the height of his powers he should've crushed everyone statistically but he didn't.
There's not a single year where he was unquestionably the best.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 12:06 pm to Goldrush25
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You'd have a better case if he were at least dominating the league in the box scores at that time but he really wasn't.
Kobe averaged over 35ppg that year, which i dont think anyone has gotten close to since. even westbrook this year, on a team of nobodies, was under 32ppg.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 12:08 pm to David Ricky
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Duncan was never at any point the best player in the game imo.
'03 Duncan won an MVP, was a candidate for DPOTY and led a team with second year-Tony Parker and Stephen Jackson, both below average efficiency scoring threats, as his second and third options to a title while averaging 25/15/5/3 in the playoffs. It's one of the single greatest years for a superstar player ever.
Duncan also has a pretty sizable edge in longevity with 11+ years of elite play. Kobe arguably has the same but he fell off hard starting in '11 (with a bit of a revival in '13) whereas Duncan continued to be a really good player up until his final year.
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 5/15/17 at 12:10 pm to David Ricky
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Kobe without question.
Duncan was never at any point the best player in the game imo. I also remember how he always tried to dodge guarding Shaq during the Lakers' three peat lol
You don't think Duncan was the best player in the game in 2003 when he won MVP and Finals MVP?
Posted on 5/15/17 at 12:13 pm to Bench McElroy
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You don't think Duncan was the best player in the game in 2003 when he won MVP and Finals MVP?
Shaq was still the best player in the league in 03. his decline began the next year.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 12:19 pm to David Ricky
quote:He won the MVP twice, in back to back years (2002-2003), and won a Championship in 2003 with a finals MVP. He also averaged a PER of 27.0, a BPM of 7.5, and WS per 48 of 0.253, while accumulating a 34.3 win shares and a VORP of 15.6.
Duncan was never at any point the best player in the game imo
Even if you pick and chose 2 seasons Kobe had his best of any of those metrics, he would have trailed Duncan in all but PER, and that would have been essentially a wash.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 12:22 pm to Bench McElroy
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You don't think Duncan was the best player in the game in 2003 when he won MVP and Finals MVP?
No
Posted on 5/15/17 at 12:33 pm to David Ricky
quote:That doesn't negate that Duncan had a higher and more sustained peak than Kobe. If another all time great was in his peak with Player A, but not with Player B, that doesn't make sense to hold it against Player A.
No
Posted on 5/15/17 at 12:49 pm to buckeye_vol
Longevity if anything favors Kobe. It is really a wash though
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