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Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:35 pm to GhostBuster6
This is pretty much what Crutchfield did at South Plaq. It works if the other teams are terrible....
Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:41 pm to David, Larry David
he also had badass linebackers for 1A...
Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:47 pm to 504Voodoo
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You do realize that these guys (Newton, Wilson, & Colin) are not Tebow and can actually toss a football right?
You put the kind of pressure the OP is calling for and the defense is still going to get slammed. It may work on a few plays but in the long run the big plays will frick them.
An NFL defense cannot man press on all receivers and not get beaten deep a lot. In college that may be different since so many QBs suck but none of the above and RG3 have weak arms either physically or accuracy-wise.
If you want to send LBs to blitz as opposed to spy in zone you are going to let TEs/slot receivers/backs annihilate you over the middle. NFL teams in this era have freaks at these positions.
Oh and every now and then a QB will still be able to squeak out of the backfield and RBs will still break into the second level (and if the LBs are overly aggressive and miss their gaps a would-be 3 yard gain turns into 12. Oh and your secondary is being roughed up playing man so make that 25 yards. Oh and maybe the ball carrier is the rested speedy all-purpose backup who's spelling the bruiser, make that a 60-yarder).
So yeah maybe you limit the effectiveness of the read-option but you cause systemic disaster that an NFL coaching staff can easily counter on the fly.
The best defense in today's NFL isn't a scheme, it's just to be as competent at as many things as possible. Same with offense.
This post was edited on 1/18/13 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:55 pm to RemouladeSawce
pro teams adjust like it's unfair...
Posted on 1/18/13 at 6:00 pm to RemouladeSawce
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Oh and your secondary is being roughed up playing man so make that 25 yards.
That's the biggest obstacle to playing man and sending pressure. You have one backer playing spy, etc but if the QB takes off and he misses the tackle, it's an easy first down and possibly 20 plus yards.
Posted on 1/18/13 at 6:06 pm to brg0320
4-2-5 works in high school and some colleges. NFL is a different animal. You can't just run man all game that's just dumb
Posted on 1/18/13 at 6:07 pm to bluebarracuda
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Maybe they could teach the DE not to crash on the RB so easily on every option play
Defensive ends should just knock the shite out of the quarterback on every option play just like in high school. 5 or 6 clean hits into the game on a teams 100 Million dollar guy will make them rethink this play calling.
Posted on 1/18/13 at 8:56 pm to brg0320
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That's a 4-2-5 and the basic scheme is used by almost all high school and college defenses against spread teams. While you can have success in press man to man at the hs level, the rules are different in the NFL and make it more difficult for dbs. A great throwing QB can kill man to man as well.
That is not at all what a 4-2-5 is. This guy is describing some kind of nickel with press coverage, not a 4-2-5.
Posted on 1/18/13 at 8:58 pm to TIGERSandFROGS
4-2-5 is a nickle defense
Posted on 1/18/13 at 9:03 pm to WicKed WayZ
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4-2-5 works in high school and some colleges. NFL is a different animal. You can't just run man all game that's just dumb
Again, the OP is not describing a 4-2-5.
Even if he was, you seem to think that the 4-2-5 is obligately man coverage, when in realty cover 3 is used the more frequently (SS to strong side flat, weak CB to weakside flat, CB on strongside to deep 3rd, FS deep third, WS to deep third).
Posted on 1/18/13 at 9:07 pm to wildtigercat93
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4-2-5 is a nickle defense
That's a common misconception. The alignment of the nickel is 4-2-5, but there's also a defense specifically named the 4-2-5 (made famous at the collegiate level by Gary Patterson of TCU). It's not the same as the nickel because it actually uses 3 safeties instead of 3 corners. It's much more akin to a 4-3 defense, except the "Will LB" is more at rover depth, and this player is the strong safety. The equivalent of the SS in a 4-3 in the 4-2-5 is the weak safety.
Posted on 1/18/13 at 9:11 pm to GhostBuster6
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GhostBuster6
Ted Roof, is that you?
Posted on 1/18/13 at 9:25 pm to GhostBuster6
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Not saying your gonna pitch a shutout but I have yet to see a super agressive defense against these guys. They are so scared of their running that the LB's spy instead of ATTACKING him. You can't give average passers easy throws. I mean give up 27 points but if you get 3 turnovers you have a good shot to still win
Because attacking him is idiotic. I would rather him stay in the pocket and feel pressure, causing him to make stupid decisions without the ability to break the defense with athleticism.
Posted on 1/18/13 at 9:33 pm to TIGERSandFROGS
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That's a common misconception. The alignment of the nickel is 4-2-5, but there's also a defense specifically named the 4-2-5 (made famous at the collegiate level by Gary Patterson of TCU). It's not the same as the nickel because it actually uses 3 safeties instead of 3 corners. It's much more akin to a 4-3 defense, except the "Will LB" is more at rover depth, and this player is the strong safety. The equivalent of the SS in a 4-3 in the 4-2-5 is the weak safety.
Wasn't it Bud Foster who made this famous
Posted on 1/18/13 at 9:41 pm to VerlanderBEAST
2 linebacker sets all game vs guys like lynch, gore, morris is asking for trouble
Posted on 1/18/13 at 9:46 pm to TIGERSandFROGS
I was describing what he wanted to run the OP stated run bump and run man all game I didn't.
It really depends on the DC. Some coaches will use a Safety and some will not. But the safety really isn't a safety he's just like you said a rover. A combo LB/safety.
It really depends on the DC. Some coaches will use a Safety and some will not. But the safety really isn't a safety he's just like you said a rover. A combo LB/safety.
Posted on 1/18/13 at 11:20 pm to GhostBuster6
Its what you do on madden huh? Nickel robber ftw!
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