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re: Why is LeBron vs. Jordan even a debate?
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:04 am to Tupac
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:04 am to Tupac
MJ advanced to 6 NBA Finals in 15 seasons(yes, I count 94-95), LeBron advanced to 8 NBA Finals in 14 NBA seasons. MJ was eliminated from the playoffs in his first 6 seasons as a pro and never advanced past the first round until Scottie Pippen/Horace Grant were drafted, LeGOAT hasn't missed the Finals since this decade began and led two separate franchises to NBA titles. LeBron has more assists and rebounds than MJ, LeBron's the all-time leading playoff scorer with less shots and higher FG and 3 PT pct. LeBron is no. 1 all-time in VORP-Value Over Replacement Player AND no. 1 all-time in box plus/minus. In the 71 year history of the NBA, he is the ONLY player to record 28,000 points, 7,000 rebounds and 7,000 assists. He's the best player of all-time and, next to Wilt Chamberlain, the GREATEST player. Mic dropped.
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 10:09 am
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Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:04 am to ctiger69
quote:I hope you don't procreate. Losing in the first round matters, because when you lose your season is over.....
What is the bigger game?? Do you want your best player to play great during the first round and disappear in the finals? Playing great when it matters the most is by far more important. Anything else is just a participation trophy type thinking.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:04 am to ctiger69
quote:The Finals, obviously. But the entire playoffs matter. When you lose, it's over. It's doesn't matter when you lose.
What is the bigger game?
quote:Seems that you would rather your player disappear in the first round and get bounced early than even make it to the Finals.
Do you want your great player to show during the first round and disappear in the finals?
That's ridiculous.
It's objectively better to make it further in the playoffs. The Lebron v Jordan shite is the first time in my life I've seen someone argue that it's better to lose earlier in the playoffs than later. It's a plus for Jordan that he lost in the first round, and a negative for Lebron that he lost in the Finals.
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 10:13 am
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:05 am to David Ricky
Hilarious... as has been mentioned countless times, they don't lose the series if either of those shots don't go in. In fact, the Kerr shot just kept the game from going to OT.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:07 am to cubsfan5150
If Scottie doesn't score 19.1 pts per game, does MJ ever win a title?
Likely not. MJ is 0/6 in my mind
Likely not. MJ is 0/6 in my mind
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 10:08 am
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:13 am to ThePTExperience1969
Making the Finals X amount of times in a row on a stacked team in a cake Conference is not nearly as impressive in reality as it appears on paper.
Next year will be even worse.
Lebron has not done enough to put him ahead of MJ in a head-to-head career resume showdown, and he likely won't. He's been #2 for a while now, though.
I stand by the fact that the 2011 Finals will always disqualify Lebron from GOAT status. It's the only truly inexcusable loss of his career, and he shrank from the moment. Is it splitting hairs? Sure, but in an argument of best ever, that shite matters.
Next year will be even worse.
Lebron has not done enough to put him ahead of MJ in a head-to-head career resume showdown, and he likely won't. He's been #2 for a while now, though.
I stand by the fact that the 2011 Finals will always disqualify Lebron from GOAT status. It's the only truly inexcusable loss of his career, and he shrank from the moment. Is it splitting hairs? Sure, but in an argument of best ever, that shite matters.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:19 am to Tupac
Because LeBron is better and MJ fans are so insecure that they constantly bring it up. Much like you, OP.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:28 am to NawlinsTiger9
Well with that logic, MJ's sweeps to the Celtics and chokejob against Shaq and the Magic in 1995 should disqualify him as well and don't even contemplate raising that stupid "he was rusty" argument, MJ dropped 55 in the Garden against a 55 win Knicks team that rusty shitt and attempted revisionist justification for him losing. The East has won 3 of the 7 NBA Finals this decade(LeBron primarily responsible for), he's played a 60 win Derrick Rose-Bulls team, a 60 win Hawks team, a 51 win Raptors and 53 win Celtics team, the Big 3 in Boston and a 56 win Pacers team in the playoffs so this whole "East is a cake conference" narrative is complete and utter nonsense. I just gave you the stats that validate LeGOAT's resume and he's achieved as such by being a point-forward with the capability of playing all 5 positions very well, which MJ was incapable of doing. He's the best player of all-time at age 32 and doesn't present much evidence of decline, he might be the all-time leading scorer when he retires which will likely take 2 generations to surpass. He's the ONLY NBA PLAYER to average a TRIPLE-DOUBLE in the FINALS EVER.
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 10:33 am
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:36 am to ThePTExperience1969
LeBron isn't even half the player Jordan was. Probably because he is a pussy.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:45 am to OceanMan
quote:If you can name me all of the big name coaches that turned down coaching Lebron because of Lebron i'll concede that i'm dumb. If you can't, then I guess you're the dumb one, right?
you dumb
Go!!!
quote:Oh, you're talking about fans that have turned on him? That's adorable.
Yeah jackass, if you haven't noticed, lots of folks don't like Lebron. Half of your 50k+ posts are likely from defending his honor, so not sure what you are confused about
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:46 am to ctiger69
quote:You're arguing that disappearing in the 1st round of a loss is better than doing it in the Finals.
What is the bigger game?? Do you want your best player to play great during the first round win and disappear in the finals on a lost?
Doesn't get any better than that, MSB folks!!!
quote:This guy thinks a bowl game is the equivalent of the 1st round of the playoffs. It actually did get better than that.
Which game bothers LSU fans the most 21-0 lost to Bama or losing to Penn State in a minor bowl game. Of course the 21-0 lost does.
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 10:47 am
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:50 am to StrongBackWeakMind
With that logic, Joe Montana is a greater quarterback than Tom Brady because he played 16 seasons(missed 2 before the Kansas City trade) and advanced to ONLY 4 Super Bowls, 4 of 14 so the other ten years he didn't advance to the Super Bowl and this occurred before the salary cap and free agency but because 4-0. Tom Brady is 5-2 in 17 seasons which is a higher percentage of advancing with the salary cap and free agency. Also, 5 rings.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:50 am to NawlinsTiger9
quote:This has partial truth to it but is a lot of revisionist history.
Making the Finals X amount of times in a row on a stacked team in a cake Conference is not nearly as impressive in reality as it appears on paper.
Those Boston and Chicago teams the 1st 3 seasons or so were always thought of as legit threats. Hell, they were 1 loss away in year 2 of the entire Heat fiasco being basically over with no titles. Then just last season, the playoffs started and a great many on this board, in the media, wherever, were all saying this was the best chance Lebron has to lose before the Finals in the last 7 years. Then it's a cakewalk and we forget all about all that talk.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:53 am to ThePTExperience1969
quote:
With that logic, Joe Montana is a greater quarterback than Tom Brady because he played 16 seasons(missed 2 before the Kansas City trade) and advanced to ONLY 4 Super Bowls, 4 of 14 so the other ten years he didn't advance to the Super Bowl and this occurred before the salary cap and free agency but because 4-0. Tom Brady is 5-2 in 17 seasons which is a higher percentage of advancing with the salary cap and free agency. Also, 5 rings.
boom. Argument over.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:57 am to ThePTExperience1969
quote:Can we all stop dumbing this down to 1 team accomplishment and try to be at least a little discerning about this whole thing?
With that logic, Joe Montana is a greater quarterback than Tom Brady because he played 16 seasons(missed 2 before the Kansas City trade) and advanced to ONLY 4 Super Bowls, 4 of 14 so the other ten years he didn't advance to the Super Bowl and this occurred before the salary cap and free agency but because 4-0. Tom Brady is 5-2 in 17 seasons which is a higher percentage of advancing with the salary cap and free agency. Also, 5 rings.
Man, it's gotten so bad, just terrible.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:59 am to shel311
Pacers were solid from 2012 to 2014 as well.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 12:50 pm to Tupac
quote:
Why is LeBron vs. Jordan even a debate?
Because Jordan left in his prime to try to play baseball. If Jordan didn't leave he'd been 8-0 in the finals and very likely no one would ever see those numbers again.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 12:55 pm to zatetic
quote:Not a chance. Once they got rid of Horace, before getting Rodman, they werent winning the title
Because Jordan left in his prime to try to play baseball. If Jordan didn't leave he'd been 8-0 in the finals
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 7/28/17 at 12:56 pm to zatetic
quote:Not very likely at all.
If Jordan didn't leave he'd been 8-0 in the finals and very likely no one would ever see those numbers again.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 1:11 pm to zatetic
Yeah well he did and facts are facts, fact remains he's 6-0 instead of 8-0 and people are gonna have to deal
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