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Why aren't knuckleballers used as reliever?
Posted on 4/8/17 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 4/8/17 at 6:24 pm
It seems like having a knuckleballer go out there for an inning after they have been seeing regular pitching all day would be perfect.
Plus the team wouldn't be practicing for the knuckleball bc they don't know if they'll see it
Plus the team wouldn't be practicing for the knuckleball bc they don't know if they'll see it
Posted on 4/8/17 at 6:25 pm to Tiger1242
Unless long man, enter with men on base & risk of wild pitch too high plus base running advantage.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 6:28 pm to AjaxFury
Yea I see why you wouldn't do it in the middle of an inning.
Imagine having a knuckleballer as the set up man then a guy throwing 95+ as your closer
Imagine having a knuckleballer as the set up man then a guy throwing 95+ as your closer
Posted on 4/8/17 at 6:28 pm to Tiger1242
Eddie Fisher, Charlie Hough, Hoyt Wilhelm, Phil Niekro, Tim Wakefield.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 6:45 pm to Tiger1242
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Why aren't knuckleballers used as reliever?
#1 - I don't remember there being a lot of knuckleball pitchers
#2 - they typically required their own catcher who is accustomed to catching knuckleballs; Wakefield's catchers used something like a softball mitt or a first baseman's glove.
#3 - the flutter of the knuckleball depends on a variety of factors - this can lead to bad days
See R.A. Dickey - Cy Young award winner in 2012; has gone 39-52 since then.
This post was edited on 4/8/17 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 4/8/17 at 6:48 pm to Tiger1242
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Imagine having a knuckleballer as the set up man then a guy throwing 95+ as your closer
You didn't really think this through, did you?
Posted on 4/8/17 at 7:11 pm to brgfather129
I mean I thought a little bit, makes sense to me
He's a reliever so you don't have to use him if it's bad weather, wrong catcher, etc....
He's a reliever so you don't have to use him if it's bad weather, wrong catcher, etc....
Posted on 4/8/17 at 7:30 pm to Tiger1242
It would work if the setup man let the other team bat around, might not need the closer then though.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 7:39 pm to Tiger1242
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mean I thought a little bit, makes sense to me
If the "setup man" and "closer" do their respective jobs, will they be facing the same hitters?
Posted on 4/8/17 at 8:11 pm to Tiger1242
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It seems like having a knuckleballer go out there for an inning after they have been seeing regular pitching all day would be perfect.
Aaron Boone concurs with your assessment.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 8:46 pm to Tiger1242
Unpredictable strike percentage. I'd never want to depend on a pitch that has no consistency of placement during a 1 run ball game.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 8:20 am to bbrownso
quote:This. I used it almost exclusively with great effect in my high school days. But I had to be so careful with something as small as trimming my nails because if I took too much off and couldn't dig in, it was way too hit and miss. Anybody that's ever faced a knuckleballer that's off knows what I mean. A knuckleball that doesn't dance is better than BP. Also, our catcher was my lifelong best friend and had caught for me coming up. Even he didn't know what the ball was fixing to do, he just was accustomed to breaking down the proper way when he noticed the ball doing certain things. Our senior year, he got trucked at home plate in a vicious way and missed 2-3 games from a concussion. Well, I couldn't pitch at all because our coach didn't have anybody he trusted to handle a ball that the bottom may fall out of at any point.
#3 - the flutter of the knuckleball depends on a variety of factors - this can lead to bad days
Posted on 4/9/17 at 8:32 am to TT9
Wilbur wood made 86 relief appearances and started 2 games in 1968. He then switched to starter and had nearly 50 starts in each of 1972 and 1973.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 8:41 am to Tiger1242
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It seems like having a knuckleballer go out there for an inning after they have been seeing regular pitching all day would be perfect.
Does it? Sending a guy out there who literally has no idea where the ball is going when he throws it is a good idea with a lead late in a game?
Maybe when you're getting blown the frick out but all I have to think about is Boone vs Wakefield Game 7 extra innings....no thank you
Posted on 4/9/17 at 8:50 am to Tiger1242
You really want a pitcher who has no clue where his pitches will go, coming in with guys on base??
Posted on 4/29/17 at 7:54 pm to Tiger1242
Watch that great doc on Netflix on the Knuckleball...
Even Wakefield says..."the pitch is too unpredictable" - even I don't know what's going to happen..."it has a mind of its own."
You put a little too much pressure or your finger slides or one of your fingertips catches on the ball - the ball tumbles...and the ball will spin and then you are screwed...as they said in the doc..."you just served up batting practice to an MLB player if you aren't perfect on your knuckleball everytime."
And that's what happened with Boone. He got served batting practice on that one pitch.
And there's "never been more than 3-4 in the league at one time" during baseball's history. Can't really have relievers doing something almost nobody has trained themselves to do.
Even Wakefield says..."the pitch is too unpredictable" - even I don't know what's going to happen..."it has a mind of its own."
You put a little too much pressure or your finger slides or one of your fingertips catches on the ball - the ball tumbles...and the ball will spin and then you are screwed...as they said in the doc..."you just served up batting practice to an MLB player if you aren't perfect on your knuckleball everytime."
And that's what happened with Boone. He got served batting practice on that one pitch.
And there's "never been more than 3-4 in the league at one time" during baseball's history. Can't really have relievers doing something almost nobody has trained themselves to do.
This post was edited on 4/29/17 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 4/29/17 at 8:00 pm to Tiger1242
Jim Bouton's Ball Four discusses it detail.
Great read.
Great read.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 8:01 pm to TigerintheNO
One of the best baseball books ever
Posted on 4/29/17 at 8:10 pm to Tiger1242
A few reasons:
- the knuckleball is a low stress pitch, which is why you see a small handful of "failed" pitchers switch to the knuckleball when their velocity fades and their regular repertoire is getting crushed. With a low stress pitch, why stop at one or two innings if you are good? Get more value, be a starter.
- the pitch is too variable. As a high-leverage reliever, you can't have an uncontrollable pitch. All pitchers can get hit, but you are more likely to have a very bad day.
- do you have a catcher who handle catching knuckleballs?
- the knuckleball is a low stress pitch, which is why you see a small handful of "failed" pitchers switch to the knuckleball when their velocity fades and their regular repertoire is getting crushed. With a low stress pitch, why stop at one or two innings if you are good? Get more value, be a starter.
- the pitch is too variable. As a high-leverage reliever, you can't have an uncontrollable pitch. All pitchers can get hit, but you are more likely to have a very bad day.
- do you have a catcher who handle catching knuckleballs?
Posted on 4/30/17 at 8:42 am to Tiger1242
I wonder why some don't use it as a secondary pitch. I guess it's because of the need for a special catcher.
Part of a different era, I guess. Breaking pitches are more in favor than sinkers. The cut fastball seems to have replaced the split-finger for many pitchers, e.g.
Part of a different era, I guess. Breaking pitches are more in favor than sinkers. The cut fastball seems to have replaced the split-finger for many pitchers, e.g.
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