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re: Who was the better player, Magic Johnson or Larry Bird?
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:56 pm to corndeaux
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:56 pm to corndeaux
Yeah and LBJ doesn't player center either... Doesn't mean they couldn't. You're thinking this way too literally. LBJ and Magic are the only guys that could, if had to, play any position on the floor. They could line from PG to C if needed.
And Magic literally did do everything. If the only knock on him is that he was an average defender, then he did do everything.
And I' never said Bird is like Dirk. I said the only 2 players that are comparable and similar to Bird is KD and Dirk. Keyword is comparable. And I said why. It's because of their height and range. Bird was a better passer than Dirk... Never said he wasn't. And I never said Dirk is better than Dirk.
You're being a douche and argumentative for no reason what so ever. I would take Bird over Magic, but it's a judgment call and could go either way and I understand why. And all I said was the only guy similar to Magic is Lebron, and the only guys similar to Bird are KD and Dirk. I never said any of those guys were better than them or anything like that. And you're arguing like I said Dirk is better and all this shite. When I never said that. At all. Half the stuff you said has nothing to do with anything I ever said. I never said anything about their OVERALL game. In fact, the word I used was "Bird-esque". Meaning somewhat similar. Chill out man.
I still have no idea at all what any of this stuff is about or what it has to do with me.
And Magic literally did do everything. If the only knock on him is that he was an average defender, then he did do everything.
And I' never said Bird is like Dirk. I said the only 2 players that are comparable and similar to Bird is KD and Dirk. Keyword is comparable. And I said why. It's because of their height and range. Bird was a better passer than Dirk... Never said he wasn't. And I never said Dirk is better than Dirk.
You're being a douche and argumentative for no reason what so ever. I would take Bird over Magic, but it's a judgment call and could go either way and I understand why. And all I said was the only guy similar to Magic is Lebron, and the only guys similar to Bird are KD and Dirk. I never said any of those guys were better than them or anything like that. And you're arguing like I said Dirk is better and all this shite. When I never said that. At all. Half the stuff you said has nothing to do with anything I ever said. I never said anything about their OVERALL game. In fact, the word I used was "Bird-esque". Meaning somewhat similar. Chill out man.
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You are overrating Magic's overall game based on one Finals game and raw numbers and selling Bird very short just by looking at his scoring.
I still have no idea at all what any of this stuff is about or what it has to do with me.
This post was edited on 5/8/14 at 12:03 am
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Posted on 5/8/14 at 12:11 am to KG5989
Bird
Lakers had more talent overall
If you switch the players to the other team, the Celtics with Magic probably never beat the Lakers those championship years
Lakers had more talent overall
If you switch the players to the other team, the Celtics with Magic probably never beat the Lakers those championship years
Posted on 5/8/14 at 12:16 am to League Champs
Kevin Mchale, robert parish, dennis johnson= hall of famers
cedric maxwell, danny ainge?
Magic runs wild with that crew
cedric maxwell, danny ainge?
Magic runs wild with that crew
Posted on 5/8/14 at 1:43 am to Kafka
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Bird b/c he worked harder and Magic just relied on his natural talent
Thats a pretty dumb way of analyzing why someone was better
Posted on 5/8/14 at 5:28 am to stout
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Magic was already on the back side of his career when he got HIV.
Magic had at least 3 solid years left in him. And probably more like four, and maybe even five. Magic was crafty.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 5:29 am to Lester Earl
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Kevin Mchale, robert parish, dennis johnson= hall of famers
cedric maxwell, danny ainge?
Magic runs wild with that crew
And Kareem and James Worthy are what?
Posted on 5/8/14 at 5:34 am to KG5989
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Dude what are you talking about?? Youre confused or something. I think Bird is the better player, but its splitting hairs and too close to call. Go back and look at the other few posts I made in here. Im not overrating Magic. I dont know where you got that 1st sentence from. 1 Finals game?? What game are you even talking about. Stats? Im not really looking at stats. Im looking at those players skill sets.
And LBJ and Magics skill set are very similar. LBJ and Magic are the only 2 guys that I can think of that can play every position. Magic literally did everything. Thats exactly the type of player he was. Hell, his career averages are 19.5ppg, 11.2 assists, and 7.2 rebs. And had the 2nd most triple doubles in the history of the NBA. Thats pretty much the definition of doing everything for a career.
LBJ was not the type of offensive player that Bird was. HIs skill set is more like Magics, and its not really close. He, like Magic, learned to be decent / solid shooters from the outside but were at their best when driving and getting to the rim, which also created easy baskets for their teammates.
LBJ skill set is very similar to Magic, while KD and Dirks game is similar to Birds.
LBJ plays more like Bird than Magic. Magic wasn't a post-up player. Both Bird and LBJ dictate their team's offense from the post. All three are great passers.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 8:40 am to KG5989
Your reasoning is facile. It fascinates me.
Tall and can pass = Magic. Tall and can shoot = Bird.
You want to talk about style and influence, then you need more. "He did everything" doesn't work with these 3 players. Magic was more than a passer, Bird was more than a shooter, and James is more than an athlete. Let's have a conversation beyond looking at numbers and the narrative of Magic/Bird
Tall and can pass = Magic. Tall and can shoot = Bird.
You want to talk about style and influence, then you need more. "He did everything" doesn't work with these 3 players. Magic was more than a passer, Bird was more than a shooter, and James is more than an athlete. Let's have a conversation beyond looking at numbers and the narrative of Magic/Bird
Posted on 5/8/14 at 9:21 am to KG5989
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"The only other guy that I can compare to Magic is Lebron James. "
I've a always said that Lebron is what you would get if Magic and Shaq had a baby.
"The only other guy that I can compare to Magic is Lebron James. "
I've a always said that Lebron is what you would get if Magic and Shaq had a baby.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 9:29 am to Badman
quote:I don't know if you know this but men cannot get pregnant.
I've a always said that Lebron is what you would get if Magic and Shaq had a baby.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 9:39 am to Kafka
quote:That has nothing to do with who is better on the court during games, fwiw.
Bird b/c he worked harder and Magic just relied on his natural talent
I can go out there and try harder than Lebron, it ain't gonna make a difference.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 9:43 am to shel311
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Who was the better player, Magic Johnson or Larry Bird?
I think it's prolly Magic, but they are both very close.
Bird himself said that Magic was better because he had 5 rings to his 3. It's interesting that that's the way he sees it.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 9:47 am to Broseph Barksdale
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Magic and its pretty obvious IMO
This.
I think they were extremely similar in personality of play (except Bird's great outside shooting) but from college to immediate pros to lasting legacy - Magic was better.
Bird said Johnson was the better player because he beat him in NBA championships, 5-3. Fair enough...that's how they saw the game, that's maybe how we should see them.
You can see their head to head stats here but that's sort of beside the point - neither cared about stats - simply winning and making their teammates better.
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This post was edited on 5/8/14 at 9:48 am
Posted on 5/8/14 at 9:52 am to Zamoro10
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You are overrating Magic's overall game based on one Finals game and raw numbers and selling Bird very short just by looking at his scoring.
Ya'll?
Why do you presume to speak for people.
I saw most of Magic's games from 1984 onward...and a lot of Bird's and definitely all the NBA finals from 1985 to 1993.
Magic was better...quite obvious at the time as time wore on...they were close early on and maybe Bird was the best before 1986...but Magic carried the decade and quickly surpassed Bird.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 9:55 am to FootballNostradamus
i don't ever remember there being a "Magic vs Bird" game.
Bird was better.
Bird was better.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 9:56 am to NorthGAVol
All around player? Magic
Better shooter? Bird
Better shooter? Bird
Posted on 5/8/14 at 10:06 am to CocomoLSU
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I think it's prolly Magic, but they are both very close.
Bird himself said that Magic was better because he had 5 rings to his 3. It's interesting that that's the way he sees it.
Well, that's just Bird being Bird. He was insanely competitive, but he's also spent a good portion of his post-career talking Magic up. I don't think he gives a crap.
I do agree with your assessment that Magic is slightly better probably because he really is the best point guard ever. He averaged over 10 assists a game, which is just crazy. Bird was a better shooter though, he had such a sweet stroke. Durant's more athletic than Bird, but he's a pretty good modern comp. Magic is LeBron at point guard. He was such a unique player.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 10:45 am to Baloo
I am a huge Bird fan, but if I had to start a team, and had my choice of Bird or Magic in their prime, I would have to go with Magic. Magic was more versatile on the offensive side of the ball, just barely though. Magic was also a better on the ball defender as well.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 10:47 am to NorthGAVol
Larry Bird's face doesn't even make sense to me. Every time I see him, I cannot comprehend what I am looking at. Faces just don't look like what my brain is telling me his face looks like.
This post was edited on 5/8/14 at 10:49 am
Posted on 5/8/14 at 10:51 am to kidbourbon
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And Kareem and James Worthy are what?
I wasn't comparing them.
But to act like Boston wasn't talented is retarded.
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